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CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
53. Sounds like an academic squable to me.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 01:35 AM
Mar 2016

Not that the while historian "distrusts" Andrew's research, there is no disputing Andrews credentials as an expert on the history of intelligence services and that neither gentleman offer a shred of evidence to disprove Andrew's assertions. That's not how it works in academic circles. Andrew has copies of the documents he cites. These other two guys have nothing but hunches.

J. Arch Getty: Getty established himself as a forerunner among revisionist historians of the Soviet Union with his first book, Origin of the Great Purges: The Soviet Communist Party Reconsidered, 1933-1938 (Cambridge 1985). Most recently, Getty has published a biography of N.I. Yezhov (2008). He is a controversial figure in the field of Soviet studies, as he was one of the first to put forth the thesis that the Great Purge was planned and commanded not only by Stalin, but by Yezhov and others among Stalin's subordinates as well.[2][3][4] He has studied the Soviet constitutions and elections of the 1930s,[5] as well as the ancient antecedents of Soviet political practices. Note, not one reference to his knowledge of the workings of the KGB

Bahukutumbi Raman ....also referred to as B. Raman, was an Additional Secretary of the Cabinet Secretariat of the Government of India and one-time head of the counter-terrorism division of the Research and Analysis Wing, India's external intelligence agency. I wonder how much a gentleman who specialized in "Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma and China" knew about the inner workings of the KGB.

I have to go with the more authoritative source. After all, did Andrew just make up the specific details of the relationship of Sandinista leaders with the KGB including naming names?

But all of this is a distraction, the real issue is that of Bernie Sanders was an outspoken supporter of governments that were murdering their own people and suppressing their human rights at the time of his visits in 1985. These are facts that should have been available to him at the time and are certainly available to him now. Yet he currently sticks by and refuses to even explain those statements he made thirty one years ago.

Thanks for posting this.. monicaangela Mar 2016 #1
Thank you for the.... Armstead Mar 2016 #4
Watched this last night, Lans Mar 2016 #2
I wish he had a chance to talk this comprehensively today on the national level Armstead Mar 2016 #3
Kicking to watch later. myrna minx Mar 2016 #5
"fascinating" is one word for it Armstead Mar 2016 #6
I'm looking forward to it. Thank for posting. myrna minx Mar 2016 #7
Rock the Casbah Armstead Mar 2016 #8
If wish someone would ask Hillary directly if she supported arming the contras. myrna minx Mar 2016 #9
"I'll have to study and discuss that further." Armstead Mar 2016 #12
Wow, great video! I could not stop watching! DLnyc Mar 2016 #10
His breadth of knowledge is amazing Armstead Mar 2016 #11
K&R dana_b Mar 2016 #13
Thanks! Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #14
This is why he's the only candidate fit to be President! ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #15
This video should be required viewing, if you want a true grasp on where Bernie has long Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #16
+ 1,000 suffragette Mar 2016 #23
Brilliant! Kicked and recced! Arazi Mar 2016 #17
Why the Sandinista Government was the group of saints Bernie described CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #18
He emphasized that they had their issues -- His point was that it was none of our business Armstead Mar 2016 #19
"It's no big secret that (the Sandinistas) were aligned with the Soviet Union' CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #20
Now you're starting to sound like Ollie North Armstead Mar 2016 #21
I detest Oliver North CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #22
The Sandinistas were the only government in Nicaraguan history that ever helped workers and the poor Ken Burch Mar 2016 #26
When high ranking members of a government are were recruitred by the KGB CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #27
The people of Nicaragua wanted that revolution. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #33
Yes, CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #39
So what if they did? Ken Burch Mar 2016 #41
The Soviets were smart and we were greedy and stupid Armstead Mar 2016 #51
Bernie never called them angels chknltl Mar 2016 #25
So how did we get of topic and start discussing Iraq? CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #30
Point missed: You are passing along a deadly meme chknltl Mar 2016 #35
No the truth is that I didn't read all of your post CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #37
You cite wiki as your source? chknltl Mar 2016 #48
You're right, even though you didn't read the Wikipedia article did you? CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #49
Can you post another source on this? About sandinista terrorists trained to attack the usa? flamingdem Mar 2016 #40
Sure, no problem CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #44
You shouldn't be spreading this around because it's not relevant to the Sandinistas of the 1980s flamingdem Mar 2016 #46
This is the account of a historical scholar who studied... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #50
There are several scholars who refute the Fonseca claims and Bernie did flamingdem Mar 2016 #52
Sounds like an academic squable to me. CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #53
You will not find proof that the Sandinistas were doing anything of the kind in 1985 flamingdem Mar 2016 #54
KnR and I have not watched it yet chknltl Mar 2016 #24
Yep, that's our Bernie! I stand by him there.... chknltl Mar 2016 #29
Thanks very much Armstead. He is clearly a very bright individual, well versed in world affairs. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #28
You obviously didn't read my posts above. CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #31
They are a sovereign nation with a democratic system of government. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #36
Oh really. CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #38
"like the Nazis" JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #42
Since you appear unaware of the "dark side" of the Sandinistas... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #43
Yeah Armstead Mar 2016 #45
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #32
Great share, Thank you Marcella Proux Mar 2016 #34
Kick !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #47
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