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Mr.Bill

(24,292 posts)
116. I am a Precinct Inspector in my county in California.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

I understand the laws may be different in my state than in Mass. Here any registered voter has the right to stand and observe and examine lists of who has voted. Campaigning or interfering with poll workers or voters is not allowed. But basically the way the law is enforced is it becomes a violation when the offender refuses to leave when ordered to do so.

There can be cases where someone's mere presence can be construed as campaigning, but that is up to the person in charge of the polling place. For instance, if the person is wearing an article of clothing supporting a specific candidate that is campaigning.

One election we had a hotly contested and controversial Sheriff's race. The incumbent was widely supported by the rank and file Deputies. A meeting with the registrar and the two candidates set some ground rules. Certainly it was common for on-duty Deputies to stop and vote during their shift. The challenger was worried they would create a presence at polling places and intimidate the voters in favor of the incumbent. He wanted to prohibit Deputies from entering the polling place in uniform.

The Registrar's decision was that they would be allowed to appear and vote in uniform, but if they loitered after voting, it would be considered campaigning. All the precinct inspectors were informed of this ruling as well as the two candidates and there were no problems.

The challenger won, by the way.

Long story, I know, I just wanted to give an example of how these laws can be interpreted. In my opinion, as long as Bill Clinton did not remain after being asked to leave by someone in charge, and was not actively handing out literature or otherwise campaigning, no foul.

I would fully expect this issue will be discussed at the poll worker training session before the next election. Myself, as a precinct inspector, I would have asked Mr. Clinton to leave, but he would not be charged with violating the law if he left when asked. If anyone was at fault here, it was whoever was in charge of the polling place.

Thanks for this! NWCorona Mar 2016 #1
"campaigning inside polling places" arcane1 Mar 2016 #2
Because, just like Nixon, they want to make sure their plans... truebrit71 Mar 2016 #120
Did he break any laws? Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #3
He's a former president, he would never break rules...would he? madfloridian Mar 2016 #6
Yes. gcomeau Mar 2016 #19
It would be the same law Jane Sanders broke when she went into the precinct. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #51
If... gcomeau Mar 2016 #61
Show the law which was broken. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #66
Not just campaigning. He bogged down the precinct. 2 laws broken. Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #80
I watched the video provided, did not see him obstructing any one, in fact I did not see him. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #86
they blocked the entrance? very doubtful. I bet people there elected to stay outside.... bettyellen Mar 2016 #89
They just chose to stand outside and complain about Clinton holding up the vote? Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #94
I take it she *didn't* do that then? gcomeau Mar 2016 #104
No electioneering within 150 feet. Basically every state has a rule like that Land Shark Mar 2016 #113
Primaries are run by political parties, not the state. emulatorloo Mar 2016 #129
All PA primary & general elections funded by county govts Divernan Mar 2016 #158
Yes, I've found out I was incorrect on this. Simply put I was confusing IA caucus w Primaries. emulatorloo Mar 2016 #160
Nice deflection passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #118
Damn those pesky facts. vdogg Mar 2016 #64
Which pesky fact would that be? gcomeau Mar 2016 #107
Link to a source? nt redwitch Mar 2016 #73
What source are you looking to find? Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #90
Proof that Jane Sanders was wandering around polling places not her own. nt redwitch Mar 2016 #95
I saw her here in Ca Politicalboi Mar 2016 #123
It's maddening! redwitch Mar 2016 #125
From what I read, he was shaking the hands of the poll workers, and thanking them passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #119
He did if he uttered the name Hillary Clinton to a voter. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #24
That's the "otherwise promote" part of the law, definitely. arcane1 Mar 2016 #30
if he uttered the name Hillary Clinton to a voter. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #42
He didn't even have to do that. gcomeau Mar 2016 #53
He could have been a poll watcher, the rules has to be followed, does not Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #63
Does the following lead you to believe he could have been a poll watcher? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #98
I could have been an observer, did he act to challenge, if the answer is no then this does not apply Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #99
If he isn't an appointed poll watcher and isn't a resident, he had no business in the polling place. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #106
You are being intentionally obtuse about this passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #122
You know damn well he wasn't. Your efforts are getting pathetic now. -eom gcomeau Mar 2016 #114
Just his presence would be part of the campaign. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #68
The Globe also reports Clinton told one voter, “Pull the lever for Hillary.” w4rma Mar 2016 #112
Have you seen a SINGLE Hillary supporter say "Yeah, that looks bad."? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #117
Most every informed Hillary supporter that I am encountering is an authoritarian. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #135
Yes: Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #36
if he did not solicit for any votes within 150 ft it is not a violation. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #56
It is unethical at the very least. redwitch Mar 2016 #67
It isn't any more unethical than Jane Sanders in the precinct this morning. A law Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #93
She voted in HER precinct in VT ONLY Politicalboi Mar 2016 #128
There has to be a violation of statues, what statue has been violated? Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #132
JANE. WAS. THERE. TO. VOTE! Divernan Mar 2016 #159
Did she solicit any voters? Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #163
"Is Obama a Muslim?" "Not that I'm aware of." - Hillary Clinton highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #48
California law prohibits campaigning in a polling place. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #60
Exactly, it qualifies as "otherwise promoting" n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #69
Really? madfloridian Mar 2016 #4
Bill's sense of what is appropriate and what is not fails again... CTyankee Mar 2016 #8
Once a cheater, always a cheater dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #50
I'm voting for Bernie in our primary, which unfortunately, is in late April... CTyankee Mar 2016 #55
Just the sight of UglyGreed Mar 2016 #9
I don't think he should have been given access unless he could prove that he was eligible to vote Baitball Blogger Mar 2016 #14
How about campaigning with a bull horn INdemo Mar 2016 #151
.... riversedge Mar 2016 #5
The ho-hum attitude by Hillary supporters toward questionable behavior is noted... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #26
Well who do they resemble??? UglyGreed Mar 2016 #62
You'd think they'd worry about the stench rubbing off on them. senz Mar 2016 #75
Your concern over the lack of respect for election rules is noted passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #29
If Sanders did this Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #47
I thought you could go into a polling place not your own, you jsut could not talk to people hollysmom Mar 2016 #7
Mayor huge supporter of Bill's wife. Should think twice even if legal. madfloridian Mar 2016 #10
Massive obvious conflict of interest going on here. Bubzer Mar 2016 #28
well, that is pretty obvious, the rules are different for different people hollysmom Mar 2016 #71
Bill Clinton is fast becoming the INdemo Mar 2016 #156
Being a former president and husband of a candidate, it's hard to remove the electoral context. arcane1 Mar 2016 #11
I think you have it right. Of course, it's only a crime if you're affiliated with the MADem Mar 2016 #13
Please tell me then SheenaR Mar 2016 #57
He was there "to thank poll workers." Bernie could have gone round thanking poll workers, too, if MADem Mar 2016 #74
I don't think anybody will be so forgiving Lazy Daisy Mar 2016 #88
You can "not like it" but so long as he stays within the lines, ya gotta go with the flow. MADem Mar 2016 #97
No they cannot within Mass law SheenaR Mar 2016 #105
This is not true. I am IN Massachusetts. MADem Mar 2016 #109
The law was posted before in several threads SheenaR Mar 2016 #111
I am not going to argue with you about this. MADem Mar 2016 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author SheenaR Mar 2016 #103
Bill would have to put a bag over his head passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #32
Only registered voters allowed in polling places. Period! Divernan Mar 2016 #161
Stupid, stupid, stupid. Baitball Blogger Mar 2016 #12
You sure about that? MADem Mar 2016 #16
Bernie is allowed to vote. Whereas Bill was hanging out in Mass - not where he lives. TBF Mar 2016 #21
Marty Walsh is NOT stupid. He knows where the line is--so does Clinton. This dog won't hunt. MADem Mar 2016 #23
Then it's all okay then. madfloridian Mar 2016 #37
I do not understand what that post has to do with what I have written. MADem Mar 2016 #78
Yes, of course, if Bill did it, so did Bernie passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #38
Who said "so did?" He could, though if he wanted--you should probably read what people MADem Mar 2016 #65
So did Bernie? For all we know he might have done it, we haven't seen the news reports yet? passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #83
That's a quote? RiverNoord Mar 2016 #77
"Coloring within the lines" is not enough to win the general. TBF Mar 2016 #81
Look--no one is preventing the Sanders Camp from doing the same thing. And for all you know, MADem Mar 2016 #92
If he's breaking the rules, it matters. Baitball Blogger Mar 2016 #102
Susan Sarandon is not a former president TBF Mar 2016 #127
Arel you implying that Bernie does not have the right to vote? passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #35
No, I'm "demostrating" (as opposed to IMPLYING) that it's not illegal to take a photo in a polling MADem Mar 2016 #45
YOu deny it? passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #52
I admire your persistence. Some people just can't accept Purrfessor Mar 2016 #124
Uh, you do know Vermont is voting today? Freaked Out Mar 2016 #79
Are you sure it's 50 ft? Another MA poster said 150 ft. JimDandy Mar 2016 #54
It's 150 Feet INdemo Mar 2016 #154
Thanks. Apparently some lawyer is already looking into filing a case. JimDandy Mar 2016 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Mar 2016 #164
Just outrageous. I have no respect left for him at all. Punkingal Mar 2016 #15
I wonder about his sanity marions ghost Mar 2016 #17
It's called hubris, and neither of them bother to hide it anymore. Punkingal Mar 2016 #18
Yep! nt Duval Mar 2016 #136
I was just waiting to see what they'd pull this time. nt TBF Mar 2016 #20
Rules are for peasants, not their masters. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #22
is that OK? kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #25
Primaries aren't subject to the same election laws as general elections scheming daemons Mar 2016 #27
Whatever Bill does is okay. Whatever the Clintons want they get. madfloridian Mar 2016 #33
Then link us to the special primary-only election laws. arcane1 Mar 2016 #34
This is the look I am giving the clintons right now. retrowire Mar 2016 #31
Well Nicky Haley in SC did this less than two weeks ago... scscholar Mar 2016 #39
Oh, it's been decided.... madfloridian Mar 2016 #41
"Republicans do it too" is the worst possible defense n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #46
Because SC and MA have identical laws. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2016 #131
Is this illegal or not? retrowire Mar 2016 #40
Illegal SheenaR Mar 2016 #58
Bill Clinton's aura is always within 150 feet of any polling place in whatever state he's in. LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #43
OMG-that's hilarious....!!!! nt MADem Mar 2016 #49
Okay, that is funny. Orsino Mar 2016 #152
Where I live this would be illegal. Vinca Mar 2016 #44
Damned illegal in Pennsylvania Divernan Mar 2016 #91
The defense (such as it is) so far appears to be that he wasn't actually "campaigning." arcane1 Mar 2016 #96
Campaigning is WHY he was there. dchill Mar 2016 #126
Exactly n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #139
Still wouldn't work in Penn. Divernan Mar 2016 #144
He wasn't doing no stinkin' campaigning Oilwellian Mar 2016 #168
Far be it from Bill to do anything that would have the appearance of impropriety. Mufaddal Mar 2016 #59
arrest the bum stupidicus Mar 2016 #70
The Clintons seem to assume money & power grant entrée senz Mar 2016 #72
Electioneering. Freaked Out Mar 2016 #76
I think we need a new acronym. EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #82
Speaking on a megaphone outside a poll xloadiex Mar 2016 #84
Truth trumps bullshit, no pun intended. nc4bo Mar 2016 #101
That is an outrageous interference with voting - low, even for a Clinton! Divernan Mar 2016 #145
Clear breach of Mas Election Law "Obstructing voters". Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #85
Ick! SoapBox Mar 2016 #87
WTF!!! Phlem Mar 2016 #100
Kick! FloriTexan Mar 2016 #108
Shenanigans! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #110
I am a Precinct Inspector in my county in California. Mr.Bill Mar 2016 #116
And if the person in charge was a Hillary INdemo Mar 2016 #157
Well. in theory, the person in charge Mr.Bill Mar 2016 #165
Yes you would but dont think that was the case with Bill's obstruction. INdemo Mar 2016 #166
Well, every election, temporary poll workers are hired. Mr.Bill Mar 2016 #167
A Clinton showing a disregard for rules. Shocking! /s PoliticalMalcontent Mar 2016 #121
Aiyaiyai...just fine him the 50 bucks and be done with it. Wednesdays Mar 2016 #130
It's election fraud. redwitch Mar 2016 #134
He did NOT violate any laws. fun n serious Mar 2016 #133
It's nere coincidence that his wife is running for president, and he randomly stopped by arcane1 Mar 2016 #140
It's common fun n serious Mar 2016 #141
NEVER inside the polling place. Divernan Mar 2016 #146
This is ugly and wrong ms liberty Mar 2016 #137
Areas being roped off near a polling place and added traffic congestion by his SS detail ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #138
And it's not the way a "guaranteed winner" would behave, either n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #142
Yes! And not the way to behave towards people trying to vote :( nt slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #147
Massachusetts as a silver spike through the heart. Octafish Mar 2016 #143
IOKIYRC Here's the video of Bill with the megaphone. madfloridian Mar 2016 #148
He was holding up voting. Where's the outrage? madfloridian Mar 2016 #149
It's in another thread noiretextatique Mar 2016 #150
The tape don't lie. Octafish Mar 2016 #153
Boston Globe Article baran Mar 2016 #155
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