2016 Postmortem

socialistforpeople

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189. Bernie or Bust pledge a sign that support can move to the green party

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:52 PM

Mar 2016

glad Jill stein is getting more attention. I worry that if HRC gets the nomination many will turn to Trump. And that the the RNC and DNC will do everything in their power to shut out a third voice.

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Green Party’s Stein Predicts DNC Will Sabotage Sanders, Try to Reabsorb Supporters [View all] Triana Mar 2016 OP

The socialists called this months ago. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #1

Thank you! It's the policies, not the man. My vote won't follow Bernie if he stumps for Hillary.nt PonyUp Mar 2016 #18

regardless which party wins, if its not Bernie, I see big problems ahead Baobab Mar 2016 #221

Nailed it Mbrow Mar 2016 #26

That's true. LWolf Mar 2016 #31

In marketing it is called "bait and switch" GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #59

Except, of course, that the DNC apparently has stopped doing college campus signup drives Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #65

which would mean they don't have much faith in the switchability of younger voters GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #71

Great point creatives4innovation Mar 2016 #99

God, that's disgustig. I guess we're all demorethuglicans. snowy owl Mar 2016 #188

registration drives are organized locally by campaigns, for fucks sake. always were. bettyellen Mar 2016 #203

Democrats need to be in Geneva, to get public health care and education removed from Baobab Mar 2016 #141

This needs to be an OP, Baobob! I will Rec and Kick it! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #173

There is a really good book "Serving Whose Interests" by Jane Kelsey which is a history Baobab Mar 2016 #209

Nonsense. We have done it on a smaller scale and we can do it now. We'e richest nation bjobotts Mar 2016 #238

Bernie has been an outspoken opponent of 95% of bad policy Baobab Mar 2016 #213

Nothing opens peoples' minds as much as seeing that one example that shows what IS possible. GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #214

Bernie really grows on you. Baobab Mar 2016 #219

We would have to leave the WTO and dump all the other trade deals to have a government Baobab Mar 2016 #264

Absolutely and thank you! snowy owl Mar 2016 #187

So did I, and I'm a Clinton supporter anigbrowl Mar 2016 #224

"too short on political alliances to have a chance of success" is self-fulfilling prophecy. Maedhros Mar 2016 #228

Nope. Those are things you put in place before you announce your candidacy. anigbrowl Mar 2016 #230

The establishment is what got us into the mess we're in. Maedhros Mar 2016 #235

We will retake the senate.Things won';t be the same as now.We will take down corporate welfare bjobotts Mar 2016 #239

How about rw anti-abortion purity tests? That purity test is going nowhere, right? That Guy 888 Mar 2016 #244

the greens are the saboteurs. ... artyteacher Mar 2016 #2

Nader didn't give us Bush Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #10

+1 million. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #15

+2 million lame54 Mar 2016 #202

Didn't Scalia give us Bush? Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #212

They stole the election Mendocino Mar 2016 #217

Hell yes...and the rest of the Felonius Five noiretextatique Mar 2016 #253

.... bigwillq Mar 2016 #25

Tell yourself that. Adrahil Mar 2016 #40

If the current head of the Florida Democratic Party hadn't helped Jeb Bush purge the rolls. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #61

Learned something new, thanks artislife Mar 2016 #122

There were some really good posts here on DU during the Bush Admin Hydra Mar 2016 #216

Very good post. +1 BeanMusical Mar 2016 #147

Much applause for your post, Fuddnik! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #176

Rationalizations, not answers, are hiding in the elementary arithimetic HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #66

You might want to rethink that Perogie Mar 2016 #81

So its gets easier to leave the Presidential Box empty on the ballot and vote all D down ticket. DhhD Mar 2016 #101

The Nader-haters give them a pass noiretextatique Mar 2016 #254

If 200,000 Democrats had not voted for Bush in FL TM99 Mar 2016 #116

Well, not exactly... let's face it, Jeb! stealing the election for Big Bro that did it. Stolen is FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #160

Well, you don't have to yada yada me. TM99 Mar 2016 #167

sorry... not intending any disrespect! Modified the post. FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #185

Tensions are high today TM99 Mar 2016 #186

pretty sure I said it correctly Perogie Mar 2016 #174

I never responded to you but another poster. TM99 Mar 2016 #175

Bullshit. Maybe if thousands of Democrats in Florida hadn't voted for Bush... progressoid Mar 2016 #191

if gore ran a better campaign... lame54 Mar 2016 #204

see post #61 below. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #63

It's amazing how everyone who seems to blame Nader for 2000 Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #88

I partially agree. Yes, Bush stole the election, but Nader made it much easier. nt BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #95

Nader didn't do jack shit. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #114

And, remember what Pat Buchanan said about his votes in FLA? KoKo Mar 2016 #135

No...purging 80k eligible voters made it easier noiretextatique Mar 2016 #256

Yeah, it's easier to blame Nader than admit your candidate's campaign was stillborn Mufaddal Mar 2016 #125

It is disgusting really noiretextatique Mar 2016 #255

Thank you for that RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #87

+1 mmonk Mar 2016 #131

+1 n/t Triana Mar 2016 #155

Thank you! +100 Duppers Mar 2016 #179

Don't forget Sandy O'Conner's sell out. The fix was in. May they all rot in hell. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #241

Bull-fucking-shit. blackspade Mar 2016 #13

Exactly! Jeb! could not steal it definitively enough (not for lack of trying) so FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #161

Jeb! could not steal it definitively enough AlbertCat Mar 2016 #205

+1000 the goal of democrats against democracy noiretextatique Mar 2016 #258

No, I think they are the Igor to the republican's Frankenstein. KitSileya Mar 2016 #14

+1! eom BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #69

And Perot gave us Bill Clinton. eom zalinda Mar 2016 #166

Yes, so they knew how advantageous third party candidates are KitSileya Mar 2016 #168

It's not Democrats that you have to worry about zalinda Mar 2016 #234

Why do people keep repeating a Republican meme on a Democratic board? A Simple Game Mar 2016 #16

Nader helped Bush... artyteacher Mar 2016 #28

Gore's poorly run campaign gave Bush more votes than Nader ever could have. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #44

Doesn't excuse Nader or the Greens ... sorry eom artyteacher Mar 2016 #46

Then maybe you could start a petition to ban third parties or something. Maybe make it illegal A Simple Game Mar 2016 #54

I'll humor your conspiracy theory. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #218

If the Democrats want the votes of the left they should pursue leftist policies. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #107

You mean to add that moves to further away to the right with each passing year. nt artislife Mar 2016 #124

158 million people didn't vote for Gore and you want to blame Nader. Blame the hubris of the DLC rhett o rick Mar 2016 #242

80k voters purged in Florida helped Bush noiretextatique Mar 2016 #259

Fuck Nader sellitman Mar 2016 #64

Excellent reply and it keeps life simpler and easier to ignore what is a complicated scenario. n/t A Simple Game Mar 2016 #70

Thank you! And imagine how much less damage there would have been to the environment Tanuki Mar 2016 #74

Betcha some of these purity trolls are placed sellitman Mar 2016 #98

Live and learn Perogie Mar 2016 #77

How many of those "Democrats" NewJeffCT Mar 2016 #112

speculation Perogie Mar 2016 #177

Urban legend. PDittie Mar 2016 #103

But it is y'all that are rewriting history. TM99 Mar 2016 #119

+1000 noiretextatique Mar 2016 #260

They are pissed at the truth. TM99 Mar 2016 #261

I've noticed that... noiretextatique Mar 2016 #262

Well, it would take more mental TM99 Mar 2016 #263

all true lapfog_1 Mar 2016 #76

Yes, the final recount showed that Gore won. senz Mar 2016 #142

Green party is generally anti-war you know FreedomRain Mar 2016 #20

hard to claim that when they help the pro war GOP. eom artyteacher Mar 2016 #29

And the GOP helps the Green Party! Over and over again, they have financed Greens Tanuki Mar 2016 #78

Sorry go look at the facts again. Mbrow Mar 2016 #32

13% of Democrats voted for Bush. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #43

Yep. nt artislife Mar 2016 #129

Wasn't Nader's fault that the Democrats nyabingi Mar 2016 #47

One could also argue ejbr Mar 2016 #62

And Did Nader Give Us a Bush Second Term? gordyfl Mar 2016 #67

9/11 and fear gave us "4 more years" - n/t lapfog_1 Mar 2016 #80

People need to retire that kind thinking NWCorona Mar 2016 #75

Like it or not there are more than two parties in this DEMOCRACY. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #79

That bullshit again? Ignore list for you. Gene Debs Mar 2016 #90

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #196

Oh good fucking grief. CrispyQ Mar 2016 #91

Gore was his own worst enemy pinebox Mar 2016 #102

Agree 100% DAMANgoldberg Mar 2016 #158

Which Green Party senators voted for the wars? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #105

We got Bill because of Perot. nt artislife Mar 2016 #121

The death of a million or so Iraqis Kall Mar 2016 #151

The butterfly ballot cost Gore at least 2800 votes, possibly 3200 Turn CO Blue Mar 2016 #159

We have heard your talking point a million times. That doesn't make it true. Enthusiast Mar 2016 #165

If you teach art, you should know better than that. pangaia Mar 2016 #181

What about all the Jewish people that voted for anti-semitic Buchanon? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #193

That is the short story. The longer story is it was the death of a thousand cuts! mrdmk Mar 2016 #200

NADER DID NOT GIVE US BUSH*!!! Raster Mar 2016 #220

Good fucking hell TransitJohn Mar 2016 #243

Nah that would be New Democrats, pining for "Republicans We Can Work With" That Guy 888 Mar 2016 #245

Spot on 4dsc Mar 2016 #3

I appreciate her unbiased analysis nt firebrand80 Mar 2016 #4

Spot on. nt VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #5

Yep. Bad strategy. mmonk Mar 2016 #6

They won't be absorbing me Doctor_J Mar 2016 #7

Me neither. Le Taz Hot Mar 2016 #11

Me either n/t MissDeeds Mar 2016 #73

me either. I am now an Independent. I am no longer a Democrat. If a Democrat wants my liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #83

Every day I'm finding it harder and harder to Svafa Mar 2016 #118

I'm with you! TheUndecider Mar 2016 #146

Thoughts CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #8

I'm new AhhMass Mar 2016 #39

I've only been here about a week and almost didn't join because of that loyalty clause you highlight BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #85

Don't say it once the nominee is selected Kittycat Mar 2016 #94

Jack pine radicals is where the cool kids are JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #150

You're allowed to say it until the nominee is selected and the primary is over Oilwellian Mar 2016 #100

Wow AhhMass Mar 2016 #152

Well said! john978 Mar 2016 #41

I wish I could rec this post a hundred times. bunnies Mar 2016 #149

The DNC's problem is that Hillary represents a lot that the revolution is against. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #9

True - this isn't revolution vs. revolution-lite demwing Mar 2016 #17

I know what side I'm on but then I've been a radical all of my life! Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #23

That's what makes me concerned about a Hillary nomination... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #68

you forgot corporatist rule. RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #93

How could I forget that? demwing Mar 2016 #96

Good luck with that. n/t tazkcmo Mar 2016 #12

Green Party knows a little something about sabotage. oasis Mar 2016 #19

Gee, it would be awful if that ever happened. Orsino Mar 2016 #21

From what I read, Thespian2 Mar 2016 #22

Well, the trade deals will make them all symbolic only Baobab Mar 2016 #222

Jill Stein is wicked smart. It's good to have choices in life. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #24

... bigwillq Mar 2016 #27

So it’s kind of a fake left while the party becomes more corporatist, more militarist, and continues UglyGreed Mar 2016 #30

I'll vote for the candidate that most closely aligns with my goals and values pengu Mar 2016 #33

Seriously. That's what GWB brought us. Kittycat Mar 2016 #97

I'm against The Traveler Mar 2016 #163

I think you have me confused Kittycat Mar 2016 #171

Jill Stein talking to RT... SidDithers Mar 2016 #34

Who else are they going to talk to? randome Mar 2016 #36

No one else will listen to the Green Party. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #51

They aren't Libertarians. Libertarians have a party. mmonk Mar 2016 #144

I already cast my ballot for Bernie Not Sure Mar 2016 #35

Not unexpected loyalsister Mar 2016 #37

Sanders represents the Federation, Clinton is the Borg Android3.14 Mar 2016 #38

The Borg? Sounds Swedish. FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #52

Heheh GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #89

Finally! Someone who gets it Android3.14 Mar 2016 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author coyote Mar 2016 #42

How completely odd that a third party candidate would be trying to create an issue in the Democratic PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #45

The Democrats and Clinton created this issue Armstead Mar 2016 #117

There is no sabotage. The Sanders campaign is losing quite well on their own. In fact the only still_one Mar 2016 #48

Dont count your chickens padfun Mar 2016 #180

no, I don't assume any winner, but the Jill Stein OP predicting sabotage by just throwing out shit still_one Mar 2016 #198

As will I. It's too important of an election padfun Mar 2016 #210

The Democratic primary with both Bernie and Hillary is going to go to the end. The California still_one Mar 2016 #215

She must be a genius or have a crystal ball or something. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #49

The DNC is sabotaging itself, but the tonedeaf leadership doesn't realize it. marmar Mar 2016 #50

I think the DNC knows what it is doing. Beowulf Mar 2016 #86

+1000. Thoughtful, knowledgable, interesting analysis. senz Mar 2016 #154

Thank you! Beowulf Mar 2016 #157

They have focused on the battle with no thought to the war. nt artislife Mar 2016 #134

I won't be reabsorbed. Just think - I have asked many many times why it is okay for djean111 Mar 2016 #53

Ain't that the truth! Fuddnik Mar 2016 #123

And the DNC still expects me to give them money! What a farce this all is! n/t djean111 Mar 2016 #128

Why is it OK for DWS to openly support HRC? Isn't DWS supposed to neutral? Raster Mar 2016 #236

Judging by her past actions, I almost expect Disaster Debbie to endorse her "friend" Rubio any day. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #246

The pro-corporate, right-leaning Democrats nyabingi Mar 2016 #55

it's like we are just High-Absorbancy Diapers...well...maybe they have loaded us up islandmkl Mar 2016 #56

They will try. Fearless Mar 2016 #57

I cannot ejbr Mar 2016 #58

Stein's opinion is about as relevant to the party as Trump's is, i.e. not at all Tarc Mar 2016 #60

You can dismiss her, but not the base of voters that simply don't support Hillary Kittycat Mar 2016 #104

+1 Historic NY Mar 2016 #127

It can't be passed on to Her - LiberalElite Mar 2016 #72

The really sad thing is EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #82

I agree. I can't simply be passed on to Hillary Clinton. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #84

Geez, Guys . . . Gamecock Lefty Mar 2016 #92

Jill's commenting on exactly that point: i.e. why she doesn’t join Bernie's campaign .. 99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #109

You sound as though you don't know who Stein is pinebox Mar 2016 #110

If Hillary fans want a woman President so bad, Fuddnik Mar 2016 #132

Very good question, Fuddnik! ccinamon Mar 2016 #145

How can the DNC sabotage Sanders' campaign? George II Mar 2016 #108

Agreed...I also will not be passed on. SoapBox Mar 2016 #111

I voted for Jill Stein in 2012 and suffered no particular inconvenience in doing so. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #113

Philosophically I understand voting the candidate with views closest to one own. TheUndecider Mar 2016 #153

The Green Party and Nader are absolutely correct on many of the issues Armstead Mar 2016 #115

Isn't that the purpose of the Green Party Historic NY Mar 2016 #130

You totally missed the point Armstead Mar 2016 #136

Two words for you on Nader... Historic NY Mar 2016 #138

You have a nice day yourself Armstead Mar 2016 #140

You know what is the largest group of voters in the US right now? Independents nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #169

And I'll be one again, right after the Florida General Primary in August. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #247

Well said, Armstead! ccinamon Mar 2016 #148

My vote for Bernie is non-transferable. I am voting for his policies. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #120

+1. n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #126

Lifting the Veil. Time to see this again. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #133

Mother Earth says: Adapt to change, or become extinct. And the DINOS are not evolved enough to Zorra Mar 2016 #137

I get it...Bernie Sanders is about to crash? brooklynite Mar 2016 #156

Looks like Bernie is about to Part the Waters. The RED Sea where all the DINOS have ended up! DhhD Mar 2016 #197

Absorb this! whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #139

She is right -- ccinamon Mar 2016 #143

Cut It Out - Get in line SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #162

TPP, Climate Change, Endless Wars.................. jalan48 Mar 2016 #164

THE DNC is toast Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #182

My gosh, was there any doubt? nichomachus Mar 2016 #170

Stein may be right Wibly Mar 2016 #172

Many, if not the majority, of Bernie supporters will not vote for Hillary. They will sit out of the Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #178

The Democratic Party is leaving me, not the other way around. Ikonoklast Mar 2016 #183

The DNC and Clinton think our vote doesn't have to be EARNED. arcane1 Mar 2016 #184

Fuck no. They act like it's owed. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #248

Bernie or Bust pledge a sign that support can move to the green party socialistforpeople Mar 2016 #189

Jill Stein is a smart lady PoliticalMalcontent Mar 2016 #190

After Capehart & Civil Rights swiftboating tblue Mar 2016 #192

The Green Party is a joke. RBInMaine Mar 2016 #194

So people can stop blaming Nader for whatever then I guess Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #232

The Green Party will essentially stand down if Sanders gets the nomination and try to help him Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #195

So you want another Bush Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #229

Uhhhhhh.... Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #233

You want a Bush in a skirt. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #249

If that's true the DNC will be in for a rude surprise. pa28 Mar 2016 #199

not attack the campaign?... lame54 Mar 2016 #201

They may absorb my vote just this once to avoid a Trump or Cruz. retrowire Mar 2016 #206

This Green Party Member Feels The Bern corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #207

K&R yuiyoshida Mar 2016 #208

Ah yes, "Monstrum in erroris" ... the ol' 'scheming monster' meme...LOL! Recoverin_Republican Mar 2016 #211

Comparing Clinton to a paper towel tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #223

She lost last time shenmue Mar 2016 #225

"Reabsorb"? bvf Mar 2016 #226

She is undoubtably right on that. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #227

Oh, you mean Jill "I'd prefer Romney win" Stein? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2016 #231

She Is Likely Correct colsohlibgal Mar 2016 #237

The "Green" Party also told us Bush = Gore. The tens of thousands of dead Iraqis might not agree. NNadir Mar 2016 #240

Yah, everyone know that US "progressives" love to be kicked around. delrem Mar 2016 #250

And why exactly do I care what the party of Nader 2000 has to say about anything? McCamy Taylor Mar 2016 #251

You seem to be convinced that the only reason that Hillary has not already been awarded the djean111 Mar 2016 #252

It was blatant yesterday with Billy and his BULLhorn. n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #257