2016 Postmortem

tk2kewl

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70. what is you opinion of ISDS?

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:58 PM

Mar 2016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor-state_dispute_settlement

https://www.popularresistance.org/the-us-the-wto-demolish-indias-solar-energy-ambitions/

Do you think free trade agreements lead to less democracy and give corporations too much power? Even the "gold standard" ones?

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Honest Question: Why are Sanders supporters so closed to counterarguments? [View all] kennetha Mar 2016 OP

Yes. I've heard and lived them all. mmonk Mar 2016 #1

What argument are you trying to have with them? Maybe cite an example revbones Mar 2016 #2

numerous examples kennetha Mar 2016 #4

Meh. If you can't be bothered to support your case, I'm not going to do it for you. revbones Mar 2016 #5

Numerous examples like you posting the free college OP over and over Arazi Mar 2016 #14

Good, because I can't take seriously revbones Mar 2016 #51

Here Arazi Mar 2016 #53

You know I didn't post that right? revbones Mar 2016 #55

My response was to Kenneth's. Check the thread lines Arazi Mar 2016 #60

Ahhh. I was wondering "WTF? I didn't do that..." revbones Mar 2016 #67

Seems to link to "American Conservative" DLnyc Mar 2016 #74

Uhm, I'm not whining that nobody wants to party with me Arazi Mar 2016 #75

Meta whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #3

funny how i posted 5 opportunities for meaningful discussion in this thread... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #94

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #6

you exemplify precisely what I have in mind by this kennetha Mar 2016 #13

Did you offer a cogent argument or a FACT? WTF was you point? Vincardog Mar 2016 #44

Someone lose a sock? giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #33

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #43

I just sat on a jury & actually got the hide. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #46

Because "no, we can't" isn't a very good one. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #7

see kennetha Mar 2016 #10

Yes, I do. I am in fact closed to all the counterarguments offered so far. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #20

I am ready SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #8

A couple of responses Armstead Mar 2016 #9

This all seems true! kennetha Mar 2016 #11

Because... Hillary? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #12

Yep. We invented this in January 2016, just for this campaign. Orsino Mar 2016 #15

And so quick to ban! scscholar Mar 2016 #16

Because "that's not what/who we're talking about" isn't much of an answer azurnoir Mar 2016 #17

Better phrasing may be "Why do Sanders supporters not "come to heel". seaotter Mar 2016 #18

Let's start a new group kennetha Mar 2016 #19

I've seen some of your posts tkmorris Mar 2016 #21

I only get testy with people who hurl silliness. kennetha Mar 2016 #23

Jackpineradicals.org. Serious conversations. Good luck eom Arazi Mar 2016 #47

It looks like you started an ad hominem attack thread noamnety Mar 2016 #22

It's not ad hominem kennetha Mar 2016 #24

Is this? noamnety Mar 2016 #31

But whenever kennetha Mar 2016 #36

You, kennetha, have yet to raise or cite a single piece of evidence supporting you cleopotrick Mar 2016 #69

I find it the other way around, actually. John Poet Mar 2016 #25

My problem is, Sanders is proposing things that other countries are able to do but we aren't. phleshdef Mar 2016 #26

But there are complicated reasons kennetha Mar 2016 #28

Yea, I'm not in denial of any of those factors mentioned in your post there. phleshdef Mar 2016 #37

Some of us have been thinking about those issues for DECADES. It is you who has not done any Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #39

wow kennetha Mar 2016 #41

From you presenting these issues as having been sourced from Bernie's 'invitation' and your own lack Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #52

here are some examples of my attempt to think this stuff through. kennetha Mar 2016 #61

We are here, now discussing. I'm not your servant, do not send me to fetch for you. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #64

Some of us have lived in other countries noamnety Mar 2016 #77

You mean like paying for single payer with an 8% payroll tax when Germany pays 15%? taught_me_patience Mar 2016 #66

Isn't that 8% on top of what we already pay for Medicare and Medicaid... which would all be rolled.. phleshdef Mar 2016 #86

Yes, I would assume so but radical noodle Mar 2016 #90

Why are Hillary supporters always posting about the flaws they see in others? Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #27

It's because Bernie supports enlightened policies. immoderate Mar 2016 #29

Try this kennetha Mar 2016 #32

So why do Hillary supporters post sermons about the faluts of others? Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #35

Would you call that a 'red herring' or a 'straw man?' immoderate Mar 2016 #82

Many people have UglyGreed Mar 2016 #30

Because white privilege has conditioned them to only think of themselves. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #34

Yeah, all us blacks, bi-racials, Asians, and Hispanics TM99 Mar 2016 #83

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #89

my friend who used to debate politics all the time. artyteacher Mar 2016 #38

me too kennetha Mar 2016 #42

I think you are suffering from a problem we call PROJECTION Vincardog Mar 2016 #40

Oh please. mac56 Mar 2016 #45

I actually never post in the Hillary Group kennetha Mar 2016 #49

That is true of voth sides. snowy owl Mar 2016 #48

It's simple jrandom421 Mar 2016 #50

Hell you don't even have to speak to me. If you support Hillary, it's already too late. 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #54

You come here for serious engagement? CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #56

you should probably restrict that sort of thing kennetha Mar 2016 #65

She has made very excellent points and I agree with all of them. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #73

Ok, now you sound like the prison warden in Shawshank Redemption CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #84

You can delete your OP now. jeff47 Mar 2016 #85

Question appears somewhat less than honest. Orsino Mar 2016 #57

I C what you did! AKA "Are you still beating your dog?" fallacy. kristopher Mar 2016 #58

Pot, meet kettle. kath Mar 2016 #59

Vote for Hillary or else...is not a counter argument. Nt The Midway Rebel Mar 2016 #62

Speaking of knee jerk rejection, have you seen this one. ornotna Mar 2016 #63

lets have one of those reasoned discussions about this tk2kewl Mar 2016 #68

what is you opinion of ISDS? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #70

Oh come on, get serious pdsimdars Mar 2016 #71

Do you think regime change is a smart foreign policy approach? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #72

Pot, meet Kettle. Mufaddal Mar 2016 #76

An honest question wouldn't be phrased as a planted axiom, I'd say. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #78

Do you prefer the school of foreign policy realism or neoconservative foreign policy? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #79

Why do Clinton & company always scream loudest about the exact things they are most guilty of? mhatrw Mar 2016 #80

It's a two-way street. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #81

I would be willing to have a serious conversation with a Clinton supporter RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #87

So go ahead and make one. Kall Mar 2016 #88

Odd, was going to write the same thing about Clinton supporters. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #91

excellent! I left the GOP after the Trickle Down disaster, but I had been growing disatisfied with Recoverin_Republican Mar 2016 #92

Like counterarguments from Pat Buchanan's magazine? QC Mar 2016 #93

Locking... BooScout Mar 2016 #95