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108. Hillary 78-79'
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:12 PM
Feb 2016

In 1978 and 1979, lawyer and First Lady of Arkansas Hillary Rodham engaged in a series of trades of cattle futures contracts. Her initial $1,000 investment had generated nearly $100,000 when she stopped trading after ten months. In 1994, after Hillary Rodham Clinton had become First Lady of the United States, the trading became the subject of considerable controversy regarding the likelihood of such a spectacular rate of return, possible conflict of interest, and allegations of disguised bribery, allegations that Clinton strongly denied. There were no official investigations of the trading and Clinton was never charged with any wrongdoing.


$14,600 IRS tax and penalty :

Hillary later wrote that she educated herself about the market and followed it closely, winning and losing money. By January 1979, she was up $26,000; but later, she would lose $16,000 in a single trade. At one point she owed in excess of $100,000 to Refco as part of covering losses, but no margin calls were made by Refco against her. Near the end of the trading, Blair correctly sold short and gave her a $40,000 gain in one afternoon. In July 1979, once she became pregnant with Chelsea Clinton, "I lost my nerve for gambling walked away from the table $100,000 ahead." She briefly traded sugar futures contracts and other non-cattle commodities in October 1979, but more conservatively, through Stephens Inc. During this period she made about $6,500 in gains (which she failed to pay taxes on at the time, consequently later paying some $14,600 in federal and state tax penalties in the 1990s). Once her daughter was born in February 1980, she moved all her commodities gains into U.S. Treasury Bonds.


As it happened, during the period of Rodham's trading, Refco was under investigation by the Mercantile Exchange for systematic violations of its margin trading rules and reporting requirements regarding cattle trading. In December 1979, the exchange issued a three-year suspension to Bone and a $250,000 fine of Refco (at the time, the largest such penalty imposed by the exchange).



These results are quite remarkable. Two-thirds of her trades showed a profit by the end of the day she made them and 80 percent were ultimately profitable. Many of her trades took place at or near the best prices of the day.
Only four explanations can account for these remarkable results. Blair may have been an exceptionally good trader. Hillary Clinton may have been exceptionally lucky. Blair may have been front-running other orders. Or Blair may have arranged to have a broker fraudulently assign trades to benefit Clinton's account.



In a Fall 1994 paper for the Journal of Economics and Finance, economists from the University of North Florida and Auburn University investigated the odds of gaining a hundred-fold return in the cattle futures market during the period in question. Using a model that was stated to give the hypothetical investor the benefit of the doubt, they concluded that the odds of such a return happening were at best 1 in 31 trillion.
Lewis was a leader bravenak Feb 2016 #1
I just added that ucrdem Feb 2016 #2
And where did Lewis see Hillary again? I don't think he did see her .. unless.. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #3
As a student in Chicago she met MLK before Bernie saw him in DC. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #8
She met John Lewis before Bill met him? Autumn Feb 2016 #12
I don't know. I just know she met MLK before Bernie saw him in DC. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #14
Do you have the back story on that? Autumn Feb 2016 #15
It's BS ... please see this 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #17
She was 17 at that time, at 21 she worked on Rockefeller's presidential campaign it was after Autumn Feb 2016 #82
Hillary was introduced to Dr. King by her teacher, Don Jones, in 1962. ucrdem Feb 2016 #24
That proves just the opposite of what you want. She met him, and THEN supported Goldwater in 1964. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #30
Only after putting it through re-edumication. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #32
You did not address the point of the post. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #34
"Goldwater girl" is not a point, it's a meme. In any case it's not the issue here. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #42
It's a corner you walked yourself into. Too bad you couldn't find your way out. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #45
Hillary campaigned for a Democrat in 1968. Bernie BECAME a Democrat last month. ucrdem Feb 2016 #48
Yet in 1968 after Eugene McCarthy she was invited to help Republican Governor Nelson Rockefeller's Autumn Feb 2016 #64
Do you mean meeting MLK in 1962? ucrdem Feb 2016 #67
No January 1963 was the date she used in her Selma speech in 2007. Autumn Feb 2016 #71
Did she march? Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #74
She worked on Rockefeller's campaign in 1968 and Autumn Feb 2016 #85
One wonders why she worked for a clear racist (Goldwater), then left the party over "veiled" racism. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #86
Slightly different from her account in 2007 Autumn Feb 2016 #47
Different how? ucrdem Feb 2016 #53
Unlike that account she never mentioned meeting MLK in her remarks at the First Baptist Church Autumn Feb 2016 #69
Interesting difference in their memory of the name of karynnj Feb 2016 #104
According to Snopes: Bernie marched in 1963, Hillary was a Goldwater Girl in 1964. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #16
According to Bernie, he didn't march in 1963. ucrdem Feb 2016 #19
Well, I never said Bernie was "at MLK's side" in any march 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #21
Hillary had been introduced personally to Dr. King a year earlier, in 1962. ucrdem Feb 2016 #26
Perhaps, but this is Hillary's own website, not an independent source 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #27
OnTheIssues is not Hillary's own website. Good grief. ucrdem Feb 2016 #29
Way to deflect the very appropriate question posed. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #31
Outrageous baloney seems to captivate the independent crowd. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #36
Sorry if I mistook on the issues for Hill's website 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #38
I thought Dr King was a Republican, too. LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #94
So that subsequently inspired her heavily to become a Republican leader and support Goldwater.. cascadiance Feb 2016 #55
She never voted for Goldwater and in any case Dr. King was non-partisan. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #57
She SUPPORTED Goldwater!!!! Whether she voted for him isn't the issue! cascadiance Feb 2016 #66
You're also aware of this "misstatement" by John Lewis? Duppers Feb 2016 #91
Well, Bernie was a student in Chicago in 1963 Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #40
Hillary was for civil rights too. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #46
So she was for civil rights Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #49
She worked for the McGovern Campaign. She registered poor Latinos to vote in Texas. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #52
OK, so that was 1972, in Texas Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #62
So what was Bernie doing in 1972? nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #68
I don't know Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #70
Here, this is what Bernie was doing in 1972: SunSeeker Feb 2016 #75
Fast forward 10 years Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #97
Yup, only on Red State and DU is Bill beating a Creationist nut bag described as a bad thing. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #107
Hillary 78-79' catnhatnh Feb 2016 #108
Link? SunSeeker Feb 2016 #109
Sure... catnhatnh Feb 2016 #111
The Wiki link you provide is only to the first paragraph. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #112
That's pretty awful writing--glad he found something he was better at. nt bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #98
When she was old enough to vote *today* and serve in Vietnam if she were male... cascadiance Feb 2016 #59
She left her father's party because of its anti-civil rights stance. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #77
Good lord, are we done yet with this? Meanwhile, Hillary was a Goldwater Girl. Where is all the libdem4life Feb 2016 #4
Aren't you interested in Bernie's civil rights activism? ucrdem Feb 2016 #6
Went right over your head, seems. The subject in my post was two young people and where libdem4life Feb 2016 #11
In a word, No. No more than I'm holding HRCs Republican years against her. libdem4life Feb 2016 #115
Well, fortunately, there aren't any dire issues that we need to discuss deutsey Feb 2016 #110
Bernie was active in his community. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #5
K&R! californiabernin Feb 2016 #7
Sort of like Hillary's brief stint as a Republican? The same time frame Bernie Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #9
Apparently Hillary met Lewis before Bernie ever laid eyes on him. ucrdem Feb 2016 #13
She was still was a Republican and gosh she met Lewis too thats a cool story bro. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #18
"In 1962, Don Jones, the youth minister at Hillary's church took Hillary and her class to hear a spe ucrdem Feb 2016 #20
Gosh she listened to a speech? Cool Story Bro! Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #22
She did. She also met the speaker who happened to be MLK. Not observed, met, in 1962. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #23
Looks like she learned zip from the meeting except how to politically capitalize on it. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #25
Who's tweeting disputed selfies to try to prove their civil rights cred? ucrdem Feb 2016 #28
"disputed selfies"? Wut? Do you even know what a selfie is? And it isn't disputed, anyway. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #33
You dont have a clue what your talking about do you. Just word salad. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #37
Who's disputing confirmed pictures to try and discredit another's civil right's cred? Lordquinton Feb 2016 #88
She also learned enough to support Goldwater 2 years later. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #39
She was too young to vote in 1964 and campaigned for Eugene McCarthy in 1968. ucrdem Feb 2016 #50
Too young for MLK to have made an impression not to support Goldwater too, I see. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #51
She was in HS. Her father was Republican. At Wellesley she campaigned for Eugene McCarthy. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #56
Too bad MLK and the struggle for equal rights didn't make a significant impression on her. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #61
Please ask your ouija board to say hi to my dearly departed. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #63
She was President of the College Young Republicans in 1965 at Wellesley . Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #65
She attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami when she worked on Autumn Feb 2016 #76
"meeting" someone means absolutely nothing renate Feb 2016 #90
your link merits a careful read 6chars Feb 2016 #72
If you can't win on issues, see if you can tear down the person. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #10
That's apparently all she's got. Bluster with a creamy filling. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #60
So, Everything Bernie Said Is True. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #35
Lewis' comments can be seen as a mild dig at Sanders. DJ13 Feb 2016 #41
Yes! YESSS please continue to minimize the work that a great man did for PoC! retrowire Feb 2016 #43
I'm not going to listen to a Hillary shill tell me how to think AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #44
Bernie has spent his life dedicated to social and economic justrice Armstead Feb 2016 #54
The OP's linked article merits reading 6chars Feb 2016 #58
Yep. The op's framing is b.s. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #79
If you can't fight the facts fight the "framing" eh? ucrdem Feb 2016 #80
If you can't fight the facts, frame them and hope nobody reads them Lordquinton Feb 2016 #87
Why is it that people who fought against racism Lint Head Feb 2016 #73
It's great that he got involved in college. But that was over half a century ago. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #78
So what a person does on the past is irrelavant? Any Lint Head Feb 2016 #81
What he's done in Congress the last 26 years is far more relevant. ucrdem Feb 2016 #83
The photographer said it 'is' Bernie. It's a reporter Lint Head Feb 2016 #84
You know, it's really fucked that you're still trying to sell that shit jhart3333 Feb 2016 #93
The photographer says he doesn't remember taking it. ucrdem Feb 2016 #102
Danny Lyon's response to more Time Magazine lies Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #113
here Lint Head Feb 2016 #114
I think your point is a great one... Docreed2003 Feb 2016 #89
Rovian swiftboating AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #92
Sigh... all these facts and stuff uponit7771 Feb 2016 #95
I find it disgusting Bernie's activism is being denigrated. Vinca Feb 2016 #96
So 2 years. In the life of someone in his early twenties, that's a substantial commitment cali Feb 2016 #99
"Brief and localized" ... very interesting! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #100
Yes, that seems to cover it, and it leaves 53 years unaccounted for. ucrdem Feb 2016 #101
To hear his fans describe it, one could easily come away with the impression ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #106
k&r DesertRat Feb 2016 #103
As if anyone claimed that Lewis wasn't a major force in civil rights or that Bernie was his equal. aikoaiko Feb 2016 #105
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