2016 Postmortem

BainsBane

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23. I posted the excerpt from the transcript below

Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:25 AM

Feb 2016

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1208002

I think I may have given him too much credit in assuming his comment had to do with policy. I think the point was to merely continue the guilt by association attack that is the mainstay of internet memes. I guess I expected more because this was a presidential debate and not a Twitter exchange. My bad.

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Do I understand Bernie correctly? [View all] BainsBane Feb 2016 OP

The TPP which was specifically designed to exclude China? Recursion Feb 2016 #1

LOL BainsBane Feb 2016 #3

I posted the excerpt from the transcript below BainsBane Feb 2016 #23

Open relations is good. Trade agreements that result in American corporations firing their workers, Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #2

Except his response was to Clinton's point BainsBane Feb 2016 #4

We don't have a free trade agreement with China. They'll never agree to one. Recursion Feb 2016 #7

Certainly we do. The PNTR, which was signed by President Clinton hedda_foil Feb 2016 #16

PNTR is just that, "normal". We don't specifically sanction them. Recursion Feb 2016 #17

Please read what I posted. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #18

I did. It's not an FTA. It's normal trading relations (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #19

You don't need an "FTA" to have "free trade." OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #33

It is FREE TRADE. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #36

Which is why FTAs are a much better framework, and why they've been D policy for 25 years Recursion Feb 2016 #39

FTAs do not "replace" the WTO. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #49

Wow... Truthdig *and* Cato? That's got to be a record. Recursion Feb 2016 #50

Wow. So sad that you OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #54

You're gonna scalp me but.... Armstead Feb 2016 #30

Noooo, I love your hair! bettyellen Feb 2016 #35

Your hair is safe, and I take your point Recursion Feb 2016 #40

China has a minimum wage. So does Vietnam. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #42

Of course we have FTAs with Latin American countries; that was my point Recursion Feb 2016 #43

And Mexico and Japan. Ahem. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #51

Japan? Japan has been a source of US jobs, not a sink Recursion Feb 2016 #52

Wow. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #56

I think Ford pulled out of Japan because its cars were just too damned expensive Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #65

Also China has no national minimum wage, though some provinces have set them Recursion Feb 2016 #44

China has them, it just doesn't pay them. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #57

No, you don't. nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #5

Sanders isn't interested in FP, hes made that overt uponit7771 Feb 2016 #6

No. You don't. eom Fawke Em Feb 2016 #8

Free trade with China was a problem that Bernie recognized in 2003 Mnpaul Feb 2016 #9

We don't have an FTA with China. We probably never will. Recursion Feb 2016 #15

I was going to post "free trade" but it didn't fit Mnpaul Feb 2016 #20

Hilarious. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #32

Easy question, No you intentionally misunderstand him Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #10

Obviously not. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #11

no H2O Man Feb 2016 #12

Yeah... um, no. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #13

I'll wait for the transcripts of that portion of the debate to be posted BainsBane Feb 2016 #14

Here is the quote, verbatim BainsBane Feb 2016 #21

Hello. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #26

Yes, I was mistaken to think he was discussing policy BainsBane Feb 2016 #29

NO SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #22

You what's funny? OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #24

This is GD-P, not the Bernie group BainsBane Feb 2016 #27

You are correct - I didn't see that I had jumped forums. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #58

Did you miss the part about Kissinger's culpability in the humanitarian catastrophe in Cambodia? Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #25

Yeah, that part I knew about BainsBane Feb 2016 #28

oooh, that would like TOTALLY be a burn, except..... it's not. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #31

Okay, whatever you say BainsBane Feb 2016 #37

oh snap, BB. Well said! bettyellen Feb 2016 #38

Hey, I haven't seen you in like forever BainsBane Feb 2016 #45

Hanging tough, laying low... Hows tricks with you? bettyellen Feb 2016 #47

That sucks BainsBane Feb 2016 #48

I decided I am not doing JACK SHIT till there is a nominee. My state will not matter for primary... bettyellen Feb 2016 #55

It's quite cold here too BainsBane Feb 2016 #59

THANK YOU FOR THIS ----> "I've been able to persuade some people..." I am good on the phone too! bettyellen Feb 2016 #61

I actually think it's a pretty cogent fucking observation, although the debate format doesn't really Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #46

Then you agree with my initial impression BainsBane Feb 2016 #60

some people look better on paper Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #62

Yes, your command of the English language is unquestioned BainsBane Feb 2016 #63

Secretary Clinton has done better, overall, the past 2 debates because Foreign Policy is clearly Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #67

I agree with most of that BainsBane Feb 2016 #68

Kissinger bad-mouthed the threat of China during the Vietnam WAR PROFITEERING YEARS. valerief Feb 2016 #34

No. Your failure of comprehension is your belief that trade with China is new. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #41

Sanders does not understand foreign policy Gothmog Feb 2016 #53

This is what I'm seeing. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #71

China is not part of the TPP ! KelleyKramer Feb 2016 #64

Can you not separate the concepts of friendly relations vs unproductive trade deals? phleshdef Feb 2016 #66

No, you misunderstand him AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #69

I very much doubt it. LWolf Feb 2016 #70