2016 Postmortem

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(94,520 posts) Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:51 PM Feb 2016

PBS NewsHour Democratic Debate -- LIVE THREAD #2 [View all]

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PBS NewsHour Democratic Debate -- LIVE THREAD #2 [View all] brooklynite Feb 2016 OP

Thanks for the new thread! n/t femmedem Feb 2016 #1

I'd be careful using the "akin to slavery" line. But anti-Trump is smart. nolabear Feb 2016 #2

Our candidates are such a breath of fresh air compared to all the GOP field book_worm Feb 2016 #3

Definitely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #9

2007 Bill was Ted Kennedy's; Clinton proud to support it brooklynite Feb 2016 #4

I disagree with Bernie on this (partially...immigration)... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #5

i like how easily bernie said he "loved ted kennedy." JudyM Feb 2016 #6

Facebook question on Seniors brooklynite Feb 2016 #7

Are the moderators talking during his answer? n/t TCJ70 Feb 2016 #10

Not that I'm hearing brooklynite Feb 2016 #13

Must be ghosts! TCJ70 Feb 2016 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Feb 2016 #8

Senator er er Sanders. C'mon there's only two of them how hard can this be. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #11

that was awkward. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #14

Yeah, awkward... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #18

bernie..lift ss cap restorefreedom Feb 2016 #12

I agree with Bernie on lifting the cap on Social Security. book_worm Feb 2016 #15

old people should not have to cut their pills in half... restorefreedom Feb 2016 #17

that was powerful. he feels people's suffering. JudyM Feb 2016 #22

yup. real people, real issues. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #29

.+10 840high Feb 2016 #50

never should happen. a stain on us all. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #68

Did she just conflate the 2007 immigration reform bill and OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #19

I like Hillary's idea of passive income and SS. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #20

Just because Bernie actually rides Amtrak OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #69

Clinton: we don't have disagreement... brooklynite Feb 2016 #21

"don't get credit for care taking responsibilities; widows lose spousal benefit" TRUTH !! bettyellen Feb 2016 #25

I wish both of them could be president at the same time. They're an excellent team! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #38

ME TOO! bettyellen Feb 2016 #66

Best way for SS to become more vulnerable to Republican cuts (or Grand Bargains w/Dems) Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #36

For your sake, I hope you never become a low income senior. It is very painful. southerncrone Feb 2016 #155

I know. Which is why I do not want to see it be vulnerable to cuts Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #231

If we elect decent human beings, it won't be vulnerable. southerncrone Feb 2016 #251

Every Democrat before the recent Grand Bargain Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #255

Be careful OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #23

Yeah that worred me a bit hollowdweller Feb 2016 #28

killer tweet restorefreedom Feb 2016 #24

Perfect n/t SheenaR Feb 2016 #37

yes 840high Feb 2016 #125

here they go uponit7771 Feb 2016 #26

Loved Bernie bringing up the Vet bill. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #27

oh she looks bad here . just raise the fucking cap! Arazi Feb 2016 #30

"That's my bill." EOM DaGimpster Feb 2016 #31

rut ro...campaign contributions restorefreedom Feb 2016 #32

Question to Clinton: funding of SuperPACs from Soros and Sussman. Do they influence your campaign? brooklynite Feb 2016 #33

These moderators seem to have forgotten how to ask questions... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #34

Real stinkers. Rachel broke the perfect moderation mold. nc4bo Feb 2016 #39

"Super Pac that we don't coordinate with" TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #35

Yeah, come on. If you aren't coordinating with them... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #42

an outright lie Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #48

geez, she still hasn't figured out how to answer the WS question Arazi Feb 2016 #40

Sen. Sanders should know: you don't "do" a SuperPAC... brooklynite Feb 2016 #41

Then why did Clinton feel the need... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #45

Yea that wasn't good. In fact, good way to bring attention to it.nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #56

nudge nudge wink wink Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #47

Which is why... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #51

then why is Hillary in direct Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #55

Yes. And he does know. nolabear Feb 2016 #58

Except for Correct the Record, since they announced they are coordinating with Clinton. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #144

Except when you are Hillary coordinating with your SuperPAC. Right? morningfog Feb 2016 #262

$15m from Wall Street LittleBlue Feb 2016 #43

ha ha the vast majority of her contributors are small donor. well of course. but she also has JudyM Feb 2016 #44

One George Soros donation... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #75

yes, that 'dont insult people's intelligence' was a great response from him. JudyM Feb 2016 #101

You don't understand - he did it out 840high Feb 2016 #149

Our liberal billionaires are squeaky clean... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #171

hillary trying to spin....oops restorefreedom Feb 2016 #46

Hillary seems to be trying to grab Obama and Bernie's coattails at the same time. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #49

Clinton: I campaigned against Senator Obama who received most contributions from Wall St brooklynite Feb 2016 #52

Thanks to Maddi, shes up to 750,001. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #53

Hillary said she has only 750,000 donators. Oops, did she just let the cat out of the bag???? reformist2 Feb 2016 #54

Bout to get real!!! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #57

Dodd-Frank was crap. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #59

Sanders voted for cfma... GS had nothing to do with CDOs!!! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #65

she is pissed Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #60

And yet, she drags it out vs. moving on! DaGimpster Feb 2016 #76

Response by Sanders verges to Wall Street, but not linked to Clinton. brooklynite Feb 2016 #61

He'll avoid the direct tie-in... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #64

Sanders does NOT understand what happened financially in 08 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #93

Bernie getting real 'The American People are not dumb' Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #62

but not linking Wall Street, big Pharma, etc. to Clinton... brooklynite Feb 2016 #71

He doesn't need to, the contributions speak for themselves. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #72

Of course he can SheenaR Feb 2016 #86

bernie calling out campaign donors restorefreedom Feb 2016 #63

Sanders linking Wall Street, Drug Prices, opposition to climate change to campaign contributions. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #67

...but linking to Republicans, not Clinton brooklynite Feb 2016 #74

"No Wall Street executive was prosecuted". PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #70

I wish he could go into detail over WHAT they should be prosecuted for... bettyellen Feb 2016 #83

I believe fraud is still a crime. dchill Feb 2016 #116

Tis! I wish he would quantify the level of damage and the potential penalty. Too vague now. bettyellen Feb 2016 #124

He answered Clintons response about she and Obama and Wall Street money by mentioning the results hollowdweller Feb 2016 #90

I am much happier tonight than I was last debate. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #73

There it is...the Shadow Banking point distraction. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #77

Bernie: We don't need no fucking breaks Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #78

Nobody is going to ask her if she'll release her Goldman transcripts? LittleBlue Feb 2016 #79

omg, she’s really failing on this question Arazi Feb 2016 #80

Going to break, then national security brooklynite Feb 2016 #81

Your computer is about 3-5 times as fast as mine. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #87

The problems on the horizon are not "new." OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #82

break up the banks "if appropriate" restorefreedom Feb 2016 #84

I liked what he said about Teddy Roosevelt... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #105

it is such a shame to go backward when we had it once.....nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #228

PBS commercial break, they better not ask me to buy a tote bag firebrand80 Feb 2016 #85

How about a water bottle? OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #94

How about a martini! nt longship Feb 2016 #123

How about a coffee mug? Paulie Feb 2016 #95

Goals is to give candidates a bathroom break brooklynite Feb 2016 #106

Nope, elleng Feb 2016 #113

So far, so good. longship Feb 2016 #88

I agree. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #91

She's losing on the topic, quick to a break! DaGimpster Feb 2016 #89

The Wall Street issue is just not a good issue for Clinton. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #98

UNREC brooklynite Feb 2016 #99

Well News Hour was a pay program from Malone. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #111

Please! Even this Bernie supporter won't buy that one. nt longship Feb 2016 #104

Damn PBS corporate fat cats nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #137

Keeping America safe. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #92

I am not. I choose not to live my life in fear. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #97

I think both are doing well, but feel this is one of HRC's best book_worm Feb 2016 #96

I think she's been pretty decent at all of them. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #103

yes. agreed this is her best so far. JudyM Feb 2016 #108

She's getting better with each one DavidDvorkin Feb 2016 #109

Serious question SheenaR Feb 2016 #112

Have Shields and Brooks left The NewsHour? brooklynite Feb 2016 #100

Don't think so. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #107

No, they haven't. elleng Feb 2016 #119

Both are holding their own, but Bernie's points are stronger. reformist2 Feb 2016 #102

Has Sanders found a way to address his notable weakness on Foreign Policy discussions? brooklynite Feb 2016 #110

What about Obama?! PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #121

...and we're back brooklynite Feb 2016 #114

Seriously, are you on google fiber? Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #117

I'm wondering.... PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #136

My feed actually crashed (via cnn.com) Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #141

Sanders is winning this debate big time on all fronts. Incredible command of policy detail californiabernin Feb 2016 #115

not in that room. how do they each poll in Wisconsin? bettyellen Feb 2016 #132

Wow noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #118

especially the one on the right... thinking that bernie wasnt being concrete. JudyM Feb 2016 #126

Bernie has plenty of policy knowledge, and he demonstrated that tonight. nt californiabernin Feb 2016 #139

Yes, they don't have any really good ones for such, elleng Feb 2016 #135

Yeah, and one of them said HRC's healthcare plan is 100 Billion over 10 years? TCJ70 Feb 2016 #138

The 'good' ones are continuing on-line. elleng Feb 2016 #254

Facebook question to Sanders: Are there any areas of Government you'd REDUCE? brooklynite Feb 2016 #120

Just want to say, nice job on the annotations, brooklynite! JudyM Feb 2016 #133

Senator Clinton again... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #122

Yeah, these moderators... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #130

Didn't know the Defense Department. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #127

I love fun facts. bettyellen Feb 2016 #140

IF we continue training programs Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #128

Bernie is a good communicator but an okay debater LittleBlue Feb 2016 #129

He's a stand up guy. It's about policy and issues. Paulie Feb 2016 #143

It is a major issue. I think he should continue on his throught process LittleBlue Feb 2016 #156

He will counterpunch, but will never play offense firebrand80 Feb 2016 #148

remember NJCher Feb 2016 #189

good comeback on the military Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #131

Question to Clinton: Americans worried about attacks at Home brooklynite Feb 2016 #134

Clinton knows her stuff on foreign policy, and it shows brooklynite Feb 2016 #142

Reiterates need to welcome participation by American Muslims...(dig at Trump) brooklynite Feb 2016 #145

Yes she does. It's one main reason I'm for her. The world is insane. nolabear Feb 2016 #147

Insane. Sure. SheenaR Feb 2016 #157

Yes, well, the job requires multitasking. nolabear Feb 2016 #166

Libyans might disagree with that. RiverLover Feb 2016 #217

Hillary standing up for American Muslims! book_worm Feb 2016 #146

Not that she shouldn't, but she'll flaunt her foreign policy experience... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #150

But knowing you don't have experience, you can at least develop thoughtful responses brooklynite Feb 2016 #152

Sanders falls back to vote against Iraq...not getting a strong response from audience. brooklynite Feb 2016 #151

Yeah, it's time to move on from that one... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #153

Here he goes again, one note Sanders. Beacool Feb 2016 #154

Going back to Iran in the 50s might be a stretch... brooklynite Feb 2016 #158

I disagree... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #162

I'm glad he mentioned Iran in the 1950's... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #185

This is why... PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #200

So was he right to oppose the war or not? Was she wrong to support it? bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #168

Hillary presents herself extremely well! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #170

He's still at it. Beacool Feb 2016 #179

Well, it did create the problem that Clinton is so worried about now. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #178

Unintended consequences!!!! nt longship Feb 2016 #159

Thank you Bernie!!! For mentioning Mossadegh. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #160

YES! elleng Feb 2016 #175

Clinton: Sanders voted for "regime change" in Iraq in 1998 brooklynite Feb 2016 #161

he did a Nuh huh! take, waving his finger....so cute, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2016 #167

Appreciate the annotations SheenaR Feb 2016 #203

Mossadeqh EVER mentioned before???!! elleng Feb 2016 #163

Not too often. nt slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #183

"A vote in 2002 isn't a plan to defeat ISIS in 2016" brooklynite Feb 2016 #164

Unintended consequences! !! love this Arazi Feb 2016 #165

He just kicked her butt on regime change and was absolutely right. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #169

YES! elleng Feb 2016 #184

I guess Wes supports her because of their relationship. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #233

In all 'our' time with him, elleng Feb 2016 #237

Bernie's just always cilla4progress Feb 2016 #172

Great answer by Bernie about Blowback! OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #173

"Sen. Senators trusted my judgement by voting to approve me as SOS" brooklynite Feb 2016 #174

Why are we pretending that a vote in 2002 doesn't matter? Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #176

Fits the narrative SheenaR Feb 2016 #188

Question: What will you do to keep America safe ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #177

I love how they are handling their differences. bettyellen Feb 2016 #180

So gentlemanly in acknowledging her expertise Arazi Feb 2016 #181

She takes way too much credit for what Obama has done. If she's right, her term limit is up. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #182

Woah -- I cant believe he brought up Kissinger Wig Master Feb 2016 #186

YES! elleng Feb 2016 #190

Yeah so much for "He doesn't attack. He counterpunches." nolabear Feb 2016 #202

KISSINGER!!!!!!! firebrand80 Feb 2016 #187

"Journalists have asked who YOU listen to..." brooklynite Feb 2016 #195

Boom goes the Henry Kissinger Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #191

Dr. Kissinger!! hibbing Feb 2016 #192

Kissnger under the bus!! I LOVE IT. First person I have seen get thrown and enjoyed it! bettyellen Feb 2016 #193

Did not expect the Kissinger hit. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #194

HRC supporter but agree with him about Kissinger book_worm Feb 2016 #196

New thread? getting long Arazi Feb 2016 #197

Hmmm... vdogg Feb 2016 #198

I am. The Kissinger comment was great. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #212

They said "Last word" to Sanders then gave Hillary the last word? TCJ70 Feb 2016 #199

Wow...he nailed it on Kissinger! EndElectoral Feb 2016 #201

She's doubling down on defending Henry Kissinger! DaGimpster Feb 2016 #205

She is!! OMG Arazi Feb 2016 #210

What did she say?!?!?! Pee break Damn it. bettyellen Feb 2016 #211

Only a Republican would double down on Kissinger EndElectoral Feb 2016 #213

100% Agree with you. I, for the life of me, can't figure out her angle on Kissinger. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #220

I'm SO happy he finally stuck it to her on hitching her wagon to Kissinger DaGimpster Feb 2016 #204

Sanders "Kissinger=Trade with China" line doesn't seem to have worked well brooklynite Feb 2016 #207

I will be blunt. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #214

WTF? He nailed it Arazi Feb 2016 #219

only if you are in a >200k/year bubble Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #225

I'm addressing the muted response in the audience. brooklynite Feb 2016 #229

You would be, its stacked Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #239

You have evidence, of course? brooklynite Feb 2016 #240

I'm guessing you think the questions are "stacked" as well? brooklynite Feb 2016 #242

don't you have a salon to go to? Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #244

China funded N. Vietnam and as the war was winding down, Kissinger and Nixon were opening trade with EndElectoral Feb 2016 #230

Hillary keeps trying to take credit for the Iranian nuclear agreement she fought tooth and nail. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #236

I was cheering and so was my Jewish husband. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #241

They brainwashed the shit out of me about Kissinger. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #259

I didn't think that exchange had a lot of impact firebrand80 Feb 2016 #215

I agree with you, but for different reasons. DaGimpster Feb 2016 #226

Holy shit... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #206

Sanders knocked it out of the park on Kissenger hollowdweller Feb 2016 #208

bernie...kissinger "not my kind of guy" restorefreedom Feb 2016 #209

When it comes to foreign policy, Sanders hearkens back to the past. Beacool Feb 2016 #216

That was Mr. Bear's comment. Going WAY back for that. Cambodia? nolabear Feb 2016 #222

If we don't understand the past... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #223

To be fair... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #224

Right, and good and useful points. elleng Feb 2016 #232

Sanders is saying in essence "get on my knees and pray...we won't get fooled again!" hollowdweller Feb 2016 #235

Bernie is the second coming. cilla4progress Feb 2016 #218

Continuation thread..... brooklynite Feb 2016 #221

Ugh, Russia's issues are all about Wall St too now? $$$$ on the mind. bettyellen Feb 2016 #227

I don't understand Hillary's pounding on how qualified she was to be Secretary of State. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #234

What do you mean 1/3 term senator? Beacool Feb 2016 #243

One and one-third terms = 8 years OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #245

Oops, I misread you. Beacool Feb 2016 #247

And no, you don't become on a first name basis with OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #248

Then you don't know her record. She was one of the most traveled first ladies. Beacool Feb 2016 #250

I am sure she traveled as First Lady. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #258

One and 1/3 term. Read it again unc70 Feb 2016 #261

I did. I said it was an oopsie. Beacool Feb 2016 #263

Boom, Bam, Boom, Bam. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #238

in comes the kitchen sink Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #246

that is low Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #249

One helluva good debate. longship Feb 2016 #252

New thread????? Nt longship Feb 2016 #253

Bernie picked Winston Churchill ???!!!.... dubyadiprecession Feb 2016 #256

This message was self-deleted by its author Wig Master Feb 2016 #260

HRC's final words zentrum Feb 2016 #257