2016 Postmortem

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

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207. That's an oft used refrain, here

Reply to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #205)

Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:26 PM

Feb 2016

Everyone gets challenged, but I've seen something similar to your final sentence repeated during this discussion.

Good luck with that!

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Can Sanders win the black Democratic vote? He's got a long way to go. [View all] bravenak Feb 2016 OP

DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #1

To know him is to love him. Vattel Feb 2016 #2

Shoulda made himself known bravenak Feb 2016 #3

Her divisive posture on Obama, MLK, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright, will slowly reveal itself! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #14

The black community is not dumb! We remember HRC's racist campaign in 2008! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #17

Where does that leave you Liberal Stalwart? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #175

I'm with you. Neither candidate is appealing to me. I started off with Sanders, but Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #177

Agree, it won't affect my vote down ticket LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #179

I get what you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #182

My state is so Democratic that my non-vote for the presidential candidate won't Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #184

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #187

Lol, read more. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #40

About Bernie? bravenak Feb 2016 #71

You seem like the closed minded type. nt Logical Feb 2016 #92

Good! bravenak Feb 2016 #100

OK! Logical Feb 2016 #102

I've known him for many years and still do not love him. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #16

Nice self-parody Vattel Feb 2016 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Logical Feb 2016 #41

Stop telling me what to do! Nt Logical Feb 2016 #42

Some assholes even point their fingers in black people's faces and say "here's what you need to do!" arcane1 Feb 2016 #76

Sorry. This doesn't change my mind. I make up my OWN mind. Period. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #169

Hmmm, not really. Beacool Feb 2016 #68

The link Uponthegears Feb 2016 #4

Three phenomena could be impeding Sanders from capturing more of the black American mind.... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #20

Let's see what he does at the forum on black issues this Friday. And he dealt with his supporters as thereismore Feb 2016 #29

That's fair. I'm here for it. Thanks for not being rude or condescending like your other Sanders' Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #50

I have been rude before, and stupid. I always try to learn. It's the best I can do. thereismore Feb 2016 #55

We always give Democratic candidates a fair chance. We gave Hillary a fair chance. She fucked it up. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #65

I will leave that to Bernie. I am hopeful that we learn something new from him on Friday. thereismore Feb 2016 #66

Hi. bravenak Feb 2016 #73

Well lookie who the cat brought in. My cool sister! thereismore Feb 2016 #80

What up bro? bravenak Feb 2016 #81

Jesus Christ, you are scared to be alerted/hid for calling someone a bro? thereismore Feb 2016 #82

Not scared! Brave - in AK? bravenak Feb 2016 #84

I... get it. Brave'n'AK. Do you like AK better than south central LA? nt thereismore Feb 2016 #85

No and yes. bravenak Feb 2016 #86

Regarding snacks, I heard a girl sold thousands of girl scout cookies just outside a dispensary. thereismore Feb 2016 #87

Daaaamn!! bravenak Feb 2016 #89

Jesus Christ, you are scared to be alerted/hid for calling someone a bro? thereismore Feb 2016 #83

To get me to vote in the Primary JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #79

Hillary is not a liberal but i doubt you care. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #43

I'm not voting for Hillary and don't care to talk about her. I want to know what BERNIE is doing. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #47

I think i do. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #49

You think you do what? You know nothing! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #51

Yep! Nt Logical Feb 2016 #52

Great post noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #111

He can earn 10% or less maybe. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #5

He won 34% of nonwhite voters in Iowa jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #13

It would be great if he did... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #6

I seriously doubt it. It's clear who Bernie is and what he stands for. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #7

I think Uponthegears Feb 2016 #11

Sigh. We already KNOW where she stands. We've known Hillary Clinton for at least 30 years. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #48

I had to go Uponthegears Feb 2016 #97

What the fuck? You didn't do enough research on me, because if you had, you would have Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #158

Anger issues Uponthegears Feb 2016 #163

No anger issues, sweetheart. I say it plain and clear. No need to be angry. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #167

Fair enough Uponthegears Feb 2016 #194

He shall do it. RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #8

Endorsements aren't a big deal to me JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #77

... 99Forever Feb 2016 #9

I suspect that question is being answered ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #10

Let's see what he does at the black issues forum this Friday. It's his chance. Hillary declined to thereismore Feb 2016 #30

Why was the last sentence necessary? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #32

It wasn't necessary, but it is factual, and by the way it irks you I'd say that privately thereismore Feb 2016 #34

No, it was necessary ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #45

And BTW, I stopped saying "this is good for you black people" some time ago. I saw the error of that thereismore Feb 2016 #35

This, despite the fact chervilant Feb 2016 #12

Even more have endorsed Hillary hack89 Feb 2016 #21

This: chervilant Feb 2016 #28

I haven't and never will. Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #44

That's nice. nt hack89 Feb 2016 #57

I just watched Erica Garner's ad for Bernie. chervilant Feb 2016 #210

That's nice. nt hack89 Feb 2016 #212

All of Bernie's campaign ads chervilant Feb 2016 #213

Ok. Nt hack89 Feb 2016 #214

Stop it! Black people don't give a shit about black endorsements! We think for ourselves! Just stop! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #162

Puh-leeze!!! chervilant Feb 2016 #173

Again, for the millionth time: I could give a shit about black endorsements, PERIOD! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #174

... chervilant Feb 2016 #176

Make sure you take a warm bottle with you. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #178

You do see the irony, I hope. Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #208

Here are the key passages for me... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #15

Isn't the purpose of a campaign to tell people how to vote? el_bryanto Feb 2016 #18

No, that's not the purpose of a campaign. The purpose of a campaign is to tell people about YOUR Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #22

Nobody is stopping anybody from voting anyway they want to el_bryanto Feb 2016 #24

I don't feel that either candidate is best for the job. Neither of them! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #25

What did I say that was condescending? nt el_bryanto Feb 2016 #26

the part about "being mistaken". bettyellen Feb 2016 #64

What would have been a better phrase to use? We clearly disagree. el_bryanto Feb 2016 #67

"Disagree," is sufficient. Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #78

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #38

Agreed BKH70041 Feb 2016 #56

Absolutely ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #60

Fair enough - I think voting for Sanders will be better than voting for Clinton el_bryanto Feb 2016 #59

I will say that I am undecided whether I will vote for anyone to represent the Democrats ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #186

Totally Understand this one noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #116

She is tooo intelligent. bravenak Feb 2016 #120

^This. Bernie can promise single payer but somehow reparations doesn't seem realistic to him. craigmatic Feb 2016 #139

I know how you feel bravenak Feb 2016 #144

I'm right where you are, Craigmatic. We all know who HRC is. We've known her for Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #180

Not everyone makes decisions in their best interests Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #19

You know what's in black people's best interests? No you don't. Just stop being racist. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #23

No matter the race, sex, sexual orientation or any phenotypical characteristic. Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #31

Stop talking down to black people. We vote how we want. Period! Bernie Sanders will lose after NH. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #33

I am only 4 foot tall, you are 6 feet. Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #36

Very offensive noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #117

Sooooooo..... Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #147

You're not helping Bernie jfern Feb 2016 #146

Didn't know Bernie needs my help. Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #148

Wow. frylock Feb 2016 #62

Forgive me for being upset. Now that I've calmed down, let me go further... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #63

GREAT post! Sanders definitely has a problem connecting with POC Arazi Feb 2016 #75

This point can't be made enough JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #90

This is one of the best posts I've read here in GDP lovemydog Feb 2016 #91

Much, much appreciated. Sad that rather than seek understanding, there's still arrogance displayed. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #157

True. Sometimes I wade in here optimistic lovemydog Feb 2016 #165

Your use of strategic implies and patronizes other groups as not strategic. Rilgin Feb 2016 #123

No it doesn't. I'm speaking only of the segment of the population to which I belong. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #156

Study Logical equals -- It might not be your intention but it is a logical inference from your post Rilgin Feb 2016 #159

Study my ass. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #160

I just want to say that I hope you will come back to us, John Poet Feb 2016 #145

On the charge that POC don't give the same weight to economic issues as we do race... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #161

Of course race matters more than class, when one is John Poet Feb 2016 #196

Thank you for taking the time to help us all understand. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #206

Umm hmm. bravenak Feb 2016 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Feb 2016 #61

I also note, I made no recommendation Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #152

And only started a few months ago. Orsino Feb 2016 #37

Time will tell, won't it? jillan Feb 2016 #39

Don't know. I'm voting for Bernie. whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #46

I don't know, can he? Or is it a hopeless cause? Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #53

If blacks are satisfied with the Clintons record,... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #54

Who said we were satisfied? bravenak Feb 2016 #72

Well, if Hillary wins, I don't want to hear you complaining since you have done all in your power Live and Learn Feb 2016 #132

You aint gotta read my posts. bravenak Feb 2016 #134

Intersectional? I won't be hearing from many on DU after the primaries, regardless of who wins. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #137

Bashing the first Black President is not helpful. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #58

The entitlement is astounding. bravenak Feb 2016 #69

when did he "bash" Obama? Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #74

He's writing about JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #88

ah, thanks. Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #108

Actually Clinton in 2008 bashed Obama a lot more than Sanders ever did . . . But Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #93

There's no time for "incrementally". SC and NV are only weeks away. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #199

Yep, blacks and Latinos. JRLeft Feb 2016 #94

He could. bravenak Feb 2016 #95

Jim Clyburn was impressed with Hillary's win in Iowa. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #101

I think Bernie Sanders has no chance in SC, with or without JC's endorsement. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #166

We need to lock him out it though. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #168

What do you mean, "lock him out"? We're Democrats. We don't behave like Republicans. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #170

K&R mcar Feb 2016 #96

HE DID TONIGHT. Fearless Feb 2016 #98

I did not see african american vote totals with him winning bravenak Feb 2016 #99

Notice there are three young black supporters behind him on the stage. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #103

I want to. I really want to say it. bravenak Feb 2016 #110

Wow, what is your problem? Mad that Blacks in NH like Bernie? nt Logical Feb 2016 #112

Can't stand jokes?nt bravenak Feb 2016 #113

Hard to tell when you are serious or joking. Sounds the same to me. nt Logical Feb 2016 #114

Joking 90 percent of the time bravenak Feb 2016 #115

I saw them somewhere and I don't think he won them, just under half voted for him m-lekktor Feb 2016 #104

Hahahaha!!!! bravenak Feb 2016 #109

hehe! seriously though m-lekktor Feb 2016 #118

I keep trying not to be a party pooper bravenak Feb 2016 #119

I am curious to see how things turn out in a more diverse states. m-lekktor Feb 2016 #121

Honestly? Me too. I cant shut up. bravenak Feb 2016 #122

I have no idea what is what in SC. the south is a foreign country to me. I am a bicoastal m-lekktor Feb 2016 #125

They all pander bravenak Feb 2016 #128

According to what evidence. vdogg Feb 2016 #106

He is EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #105

Good Piece noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #107

Yes. Not yours. I live in the South. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #124

I expect reality to set in. bravenak Feb 2016 #126

You know, I used to think you might be right. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #142

You know. I would not mind. bravenak Feb 2016 #143

As a white person itsrobert Feb 2016 #127

Me neither. bravenak Feb 2016 #129

He just did it in NH. He can and will. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #130

Hillary has 100% recognition. People barely know about Bernie. BlueStreak Feb 2016 #131

If he wants black votes he needs to change his stance on reparations. craigmatic Feb 2016 #133

why him but not Obama? azurnoir Feb 2016 #171

Two main reasons.... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #181

really quoting Ta-Nehisi Coates lines? I believe that was his reasoning , however azurnoir Feb 2016 #185

Again, as I wrote earlier in this thread and many threads like it... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #197

........ azurnoir Feb 2016 #198

And? What's your point? Black people think for themselves. Period. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #200

I would suggest you read my link where I made that quite plain azurnoir Feb 2016 #202

I apologize. I will read your link, but I've been so frustrated with many of the Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #203

yes Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #135

He has to strategize better bravenak Feb 2016 #136

I dont know why Blacks would support Clinton n/t Leaseoption Feb 2016 #138

Considering he got 48% of the black vote SheilaT Feb 2016 #140

Yes he did. 840high Feb 2016 #141

As a southerner myself, I can safely say that Southern Democrats are not like Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #183

Yes, He Can bigwillq Feb 2016 #149

He better figure out how bravenak Feb 2016 #150

A snap. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #151

Well then. Just disregard what any of us tell you. bravenak Feb 2016 #153

Figure out why you're so bitter. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #154

Racism is why bravenak Feb 2016 #155

who's racism? Bernies? azurnoir Feb 2016 #172

DID I SAY HIS NAME? bravenak Feb 2016 #188

so unimportant you started this thread about him? azurnoir Feb 2016 #189

So that means everything must be about him? bravenak Feb 2016 #190

so you start a thread about Sanders but it's not about him? azurnoir Feb 2016 #191

You areally think every single comment has to be about him? bravenak Feb 2016 #192

ah ha azurnoir Feb 2016 #193

Another Strawman sighting jham123 Feb 2016 #164

Can he get it? vs Does she deserve it? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #195

Some compelling arguments. Good endorsements. Valid points about HRC not Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #201

There are plenty of blacks expressing views contrary to those expressed here WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #204

The same is true of the other side. The Bernie supporters have been just as relentless and offensive Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #205

That's an oft used refrain, here WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #207

Yeah, thanks. I'm not worried about it. Again, the candidates have to convince me. I remain Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #209

Not good enough Bernie workinclasszero Feb 2016 #211