2016 Postmortem

billhicks76

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118. Your Hillary Only Group Shocking

Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:11 PM

Feb 2016

Every comment was all of you smugly putting down the voter and laughing that Bernie will NEVER be allowed to be the nominee even if he wins every primary. What is wrong with you people? You obviously want a rigged system and even worse a Democratic Party that loses all support. I read all those comments and they were ALL like that. People were saying in unison that Bernie should not be allowed to even be in the Party. Stunning. People get banned on DU for saying about Hillary. The double standard hubris will bite you back. What goes around comes around.

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Dem precinct chair/Sanders voter appalled at slams against super delegates being launched here. [View all] blm Feb 2016 OP

Thank you, someone had to say it and explain it. Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #1

only those with connections, are politicians or have their tiaras firmly roguevalley Feb 2016 #42

John Lewis is a Super Delegate. I'd like to see you say that to his face. Yes.... George II Feb 2016 #93

Your Hillary Only Group Shocking billhicks76 Feb 2016 #118

The jury is in: neverforget Feb 2016 #131

They Flagged Another Just Like This One And Won billhicks76 Feb 2016 #136

Why the hell would people go onto a private group: Hillary's or Bernie's and read then complain? kerry-is-my-prez Feb 2016 #161

You Need To Change Your Tone billhicks76 Feb 2016 #166

The jury system is not amused. Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #190

you need to stop whining. Sheepshank Feb 2016 #239

It's About Facts billhicks76 Feb 2016 #245

OH ffs....a "political revolution" is as politically hawkish as it gets Sheepshank Feb 2016 #253

Supressing Votes Isnt Working Hard billhicks76 Feb 2016 #254

Of course these folks want their candidate to win the Party Nomination, truedelphi Feb 2016 #134

Want Or Force???? billhicks76 Feb 2016 #142

I guess they will do everything they can to force it to happen. truedelphi Feb 2016 #173

I for one am sick and tired of being spoken for.. I have my own voice.. OLDMADAM Feb 2016 #197

Then there is a time to fight to abolish this part of the primary process - in the years BEFORE the blm Feb 2016 #229

this cycle has brought a new level to the super delegate thing questionseverything Feb 2016 #238

+1 berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #176

Who mentioned the Hillary Clinton Group? This is GD - P. George II Feb 2016 #217

Someone here told me the other day that Lewis is now "irrelevant" - and that his "past" sacrifices Empowerer Feb 2016 #120

And you have a whole thread dedicated to dismissing Bernie's past accomplishments on civil rights. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #154

Lol Mentality We Are Dealing With? billhicks76 Feb 2016 #167

Hear, hear! Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #168

Nation Says Hillary Decimated Black America billhicks76 Feb 2016 #170

you are laughable. I don't live in South Carolina and what I told you about my roguevalley Feb 2016 #138

I'm just pointing out that you essentially referred to John Lewis' position.......... George II Feb 2016 #140

bullshit. You're on ignore so have a nice day. Awesome how you know everything roguevalley Feb 2016 #141

He is no where near irrelevant and the idea he wears a tiara is damn offensive bravenak Feb 2016 #155

I have signed copies of both March 1 and March 2 Gothmog Feb 2016 #157

Yes he is. They should have respect. bravenak Feb 2016 #159

Have you ever been to a state convention? Gothmog Feb 2016 #156

Doesn't Change That It's Corrupt billhicks76 Feb 2016 #117

Except the explanation falls flat. CentralMass Feb 2016 #145

Democratic politicians have been under considerable pressure to support Hillary. merrily Feb 2016 #179

Overriding popular vote of their constituents. Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #191

Don't be appalled, or belittle people for the confusion. Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #192

I'm not scolding anyone. I am providing facts. CentralMass Feb 2016 #201

Thing is, Debbie and the state parties are far likelier to notice how they cast their super delegate merrily Feb 2016 #248

Well then... There must be already 3 or 4 petitions Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #255

My understanding that if absent supers Bernie has the lead, the supers then will go Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #242

The voters should decide not political insiders (many who are corrupt or bought off). n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #2

Yeah…. working thousands of volunteer hours year after year (EVERY election year) is corrupting. blm Feb 2016 #5

Google "After Sander's Big Win in New Hampshire Establishment jwirr Feb 2016 #14

heh….same here…worked on Kucinich's very first political campaign as a schoolgirl. blm Feb 2016 #58

thousands of volunteer hours AlbertCat Feb 2016 #130

Most "super" delegates sre elected officials not volunteers dflprincess Feb 2016 #151

No - it's representatives who vote everyday in the name of their district or state. blm Feb 2016 #207

No - it's representatives who vote everyday in the name of their district or state. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #231

Work to change the process BEFORE prez primaries, then. Screaming about process DURING is blm Feb 2016 #234

No, it's not actually. eomer Feb 2016 #256

Do you volunteer so you can override the people's vote? Should a reward for volunteering be the Skwmom Feb 2016 #163

Elected officials REPRESENT constituents in congress for a reason, too. Don't like superdelegate blm Feb 2016 #198

Heck! Cory Booker campaigned for Chris Christie's 2nd Term over the Democratic Woman Candidate! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #9

Is this true? I am a NJ expat who left around that time -- do you have some good links to read? JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #59

Cory Booker endorses Buono to challenge Gov. Christie brooklynite Feb 2016 #114

Someone claimed the other day that the DNC endorsed Christie - when in fact it endorsed Buono AND Empowerer Feb 2016 #122

Sixty New Jersey Democratic officials endorsed Christie Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #183

Delete this absolute bullshit mythology Feb 2016 #150

Yeah, endorsed her, was a virtual no show, then spoke highly of things Christie was doing. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #243

Never happened, but Booker is under the Bernie Bus so all bets are off- right? bettyellen Feb 2016 #196

Dedicated party workers matter less Codeine Feb 2016 #101

There's no reason to assume that treestar Feb 2016 #110

Really? There is something extremely troubling about a system that would override the Skwmom Feb 2016 #165

TOTALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #121

No matter how you want to spin it...one vote should... yourout Feb 2016 #3

Get into the arena and volunteer thousands of hours year after year. blm Feb 2016 #4

Oh good...more youth bashing. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #8

Nope - some of the people I work with are recent college grad and have already logged thousands of blm Feb 2016 #12

And these volunteers are somehow what you think a jwirr Feb 2016 #16

No - I am saying that is how many of them start out. blm Feb 2016 #21

I see. Some good politicians do indeed start out as jwirr Feb 2016 #28

Exactly. They are a benefit to campaigns like Sanders. blm Feb 2016 #44

Are you aware that it is the party that is not helping Sanders jwirr Feb 2016 #68

Not in my state and county. Or in others I know. blm Feb 2016 #79

Wow. I envy you. There are enough of us here that hopefully jwirr Feb 2016 #82

I'd like that, but, as a GOTV activist for ALL Dems I pop up here to give another perspective that blm Feb 2016 #109

I hear you. The link I gave you actually says to let it go as jwirr Feb 2016 #115

Thank you - that is exactly what is needed in my 'GOTV' point of view. blm Feb 2016 #116

I don't give hoot how many hours anyone puts into it. That's their problem. dana_b Feb 2016 #98

^ This. AzDar Feb 2016 #119

Amen billhicks76 Feb 2016 #123

Please stop saying Bernie agrees with you. merrily Feb 2016 #180

Thank you! My thoughts exactly. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #199

You don't like it, tough for me, eh? Point being that super delegates and primary process system blm Feb 2016 #208

No, the Sanders campaign would be far better off if the system did not exist and repeating that merrily Feb 2016 #247

Baloney - 2016 GOTV efforts have been under way….guess we view the election calendar differently. blm Feb 2016 #250

this. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #6

If the superdelegates follow the will of the majority there will be no problem Fumesucker Feb 2016 #7

If they don't the Democratic Party will be deemed ILLEGITIMATE! Then all bets are off for the party! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #11

It's already illegitimate.... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #15

and that hell will be named President Trump Mnpaul Feb 2016 #37

Is there room in hell with all the female Sanders' supporters that already have reservations? n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #200

The race should be decided by the voters, period. Broward Feb 2016 #10

Absolutely! ozone_man Feb 2016 #104

If the super delegates follow the will of the voters, there'll be no problem Kall Feb 2016 #13

If the voters don't matter, how can the party call itself democratic? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #17

Who is saying the voters don't matter? blm Feb 2016 #23

If the superdelegates overrule the voters, then the voters don't matter, do they? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #29

Show me when that has ever happened. blm Feb 2016 #46

Hillarians are clinging to that hope, praying it will happen. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #52

DU Hillary Group Bragging About It billhicks76 Feb 2016 #128

Then they are being @sshats - the gloating is just as destructive for GOTV workers as blm Feb 2016 #227

A poster has already declared it has happened in NH - quite recently Dragonfli Feb 2016 #77

Good question. Waiting for answer. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #202

Irrelevant. That is precisely why the institution of super delegates was created and it merrily Feb 2016 #181

Same thing went on in 2008, Obama supporters sure the Supers were fixed for Clinton Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #18

Thank you. It's a process. blm Feb 2016 #25

Out of necessity? madfloridian Feb 2016 #36

Television. blm Feb 2016 #50

So the "necessity" is the risk that the people will be too stupid to make the right choice. TDale313 Feb 2016 #105

So is Congress - we have a representative government and reps vote everyday for EVERY constituent blm Feb 2016 #209

What necessity? to overrule primary votes if deemed desirable? merrily Feb 2016 #182

But if we don't vote for Their Annointed One, Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #187

That argument is plenty bad, but this is not only about Hillary and Bernie. merrily Feb 2016 #189

But my point is that you are holding up Bernie and his supporters as very different from the regular Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #216

I have repeatedly said in this thread that it happens every election cycle. And if people are blm Feb 2016 #225

I think I understand the system reasonably well. sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #19

Every election it becomes fodder for suspicion….and every year it proves to be unwarranted. blm Feb 2016 #27

Then perhaps it's a really fucking stupid thing to keep around. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #72

The party mangled the 2008 primary. The party hierarchy CentralMass Feb 2016 #139

k&r sadoldgirl demosocialist Feb 2016 #48

Big Money Corrupts billhicks76 Feb 2016 #127

Who are you to tell us how to think? HubertHeaver Feb 2016 #20

The super delegates aren't entitled to their opinions? AAR, their votes do not FSogol Feb 2016 #30

Thank you for this good explanation mcar Feb 2016 #22

This is a democracy, not the Special Olympics. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #24

Because you met me as a staunch anti-Clinton Democrat. I converted you, as I recall. ; ) blm Feb 2016 #31

yes you were my maker :) AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #39

It's not a thumb on the scale. blm Feb 2016 #51

If it is not meant to be a thumb on the scale, why not just give all such "boots on the ground"... JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #70

Find your county headquarters. It is usually a good way to learn the ins and outs. blm Feb 2016 #76

Thanks for the info. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #83

Try answering the question. Super delegates most definitely were created to put a thumb merrily Feb 2016 #184

Your own words run counter to it not being "a thumb on the scale." cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #135

Anyone who's been here awhile knows I word things awkwardly. ; ) The elected who are supers already blm Feb 2016 #206

150 superdelegates AREN'T elected officials. They're simply members of the DNC. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #215

They were still elected to represent in the PROCESS - Change the process BEFORE not DURING the blm Feb 2016 #224

The currently constructed Democratic Party does not represent any "organized left"... AOR Feb 2016 #26

If that's what you think then you don't understand how it benefits Sanders - thankfully, he does. blm Feb 2016 #38

Electoral politics and electing Sanders... AOR Feb 2016 #60

Tell that to the tens of millions of citizens who actually NEED a Dem in office to blm Feb 2016 #66

Again...the currently constructed Democratic Party... AOR Feb 2016 #88

K&R. Thanks for inserting some truth into the wailing and gnashing of teeth FSogol Feb 2016 #32

Act of petulance? blm you are better than that. madfloridian Feb 2016 #33

That never happened. And it likely never will. I'm surprised that some don't SEE how blm Feb 2016 #43

Oh please. 99Forever Feb 2016 #34

Please tell that to GOP, too. Or do you prefer Sanders eschew ALL super delegates and blm Feb 2016 #41

It's a tie! ImaPolitico Feb 2016 #97

Not my job. 99Forever Feb 2016 #129

Thank you for being the one to explain this. Hekate Feb 2016 #35

This latest round of arrows being slung at super delegates forced this post. blm Feb 2016 #40

These elected officials work HAAAARD Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #45

^^ This. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #49

That's not how it actually works. Sanders knows that, and, thankfully, so do others blm Feb 2016 #56

that's their same approach to economics MisterP Feb 2016 #61

Not the same, at all, MisterP, and you know it. ; P blm Feb 2016 #91

+1 (NT) Eric J in MN Feb 2016 #111

you said: "Sanders and DU is better than these displays of petulance" Sanders yes, his supporters.. Bill USA Feb 2016 #47

The only people who are doing so are, on both sides, fighting the last war. moriah Feb 2016 #53

Salute. Good post. blm Feb 2016 #63

Thanks! :) n/t moriah Feb 2016 #73

This primary is between Bernie and the Clinton machine, not Bernie and the GOP machine. merrily Feb 2016 #185

Okay, since you opened that can of worms... moriah Feb 2016 #211

Your rhetoric seems unconnected with Democratic history. Have you heard of Harvey Milk? Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #218

Not denigrating Harvey Milk or his campaign or accomplishments.... but that was a local election. moriah Feb 2016 #220

Wow! Where to begin. Um, you misunderstood my post. I never said the Clinton machine merrily Feb 2016 #246

Definitely, I misunderstood, but... moriah Feb 2016 #249

Some delegates are more equal than others. Especially, if they aren't voted for but selected. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #54

The superdelegate system is anti-democratic and should be abolished. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #55

The slams are not against superdelegates, but the ratfucking PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #57

True. The process is there for more reasons than easily understood. Working in the trenches blm Feb 2016 #71

I don't think anyone is slamming superdelegates. Vinca Feb 2016 #62

Thank you for your post. It was needed. riversedge Feb 2016 #64

you do really have it right about the displays of petulance mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #65

I think we peon voters allowed to "slam" those who wield power over us, don't you? TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #67

k&r bigtree Feb 2016 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author John Poet Feb 2016 #74

Thank you for posting this. SheilaT Feb 2016 #75

Hi blm, retrowire Feb 2016 #78

I do get that, but, as a matter of history, that distrust in super delegates is just not warranted blm Feb 2016 #84

well, whoever claimed that fear led to rational reactions? retrowire Feb 2016 #85

; ) blm Feb 2016 #90

"...gain an added voice..." Iggo Feb 2016 #80

They are representatives - they vote for ALL constituents every day in congress and in their states. blm Feb 2016 #213

So then they don't "gain an added voice"? Iggo Feb 2016 #232

You can mock me for my awkward wording all you want - but, it's a waste of your energy, imo. blm Feb 2016 #236

I wasn't mocking you. That looked like very careful wording to me. No awkwardness about it. Iggo Feb 2016 #237

Perhaps to you - But, others who know me better here could probably see the blm Feb 2016 #241

Not buying what you are selling. No one has the right to dilute my vote because they are rich GoneFishin Feb 2016 #81

Not selling - I'm explaining how the process has also benefitted Sanders for those here who have blm Feb 2016 #87

Maybe you should read up on some of the history behind the reason for super delegates. A Simple Game Feb 2016 #86

Why did all those super delegates support Dean so early on before first primary? Fevered minds can blm Feb 2016 #89

thanks and side note: salin Feb 2016 #92

Hey gorgeous….I've been trying to stay out of the fray. I pop in to counter unfair potshots being blm Feb 2016 #95

I, too, have been staying out of the fray. salin Feb 2016 #106

Shorter explanation nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #94

And THAT is the reality. blm Feb 2016 #100

Well I had to stop following a local party chairwoman nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #102

Therein lies the problem. Clinton Machine? Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #143

I've worked as a precinct chair & I don't think anyone TBF Feb 2016 #96

I didn't say they did owe me anything. And I am far from establishment. I was explaining to those blm Feb 2016 #103

How DARE anyone challenge the right to have unequal political influence! nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #99

Aw, come on-- those backroom dealmakers just have our best interests at heart! Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #175

It's because of their deep experience, doncha know! They're like pros at choosing for us, man! nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #177

Thank you. BooScout Feb 2016 #107

One person, one vote. Superdelegates are one vote, same as regular delegates Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #108

That is not even close to being correct. CentralMass Feb 2016 #144

Wrong. state goes to someone, they get the delegates Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #146

Did you read my post ? That was the point I was making. CentralMass Feb 2016 #147

I misinterpreted your post, as I believe you misinterpreted mine Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #148

Absolutely. CentralMass Feb 2016 #149

The use of superdelegates seems like a self-destruct button, to me. w4rma Feb 2016 #112

Exactly UglyGreed Feb 2016 #124

Here have some UglyGreed Feb 2016 #113

. UglyGreed Feb 2016 #125

With respect... davidthegnome Feb 2016 #126

Some people are just more equal than others. noamnety Feb 2016 #132

Even understanding the super delegate system... MellowDem Feb 2016 #133

The question is, should some votes count more than others? Android3.14 Feb 2016 #137

K & R, good post, it was needed to explain the super delegate procedure. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #152

She won 38% of the vote in NH but is receiving 75% of the super delegates CentralMass Feb 2016 #164

And your point is? Do you understand the difference in Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #193

Yes, I fully understand the difference. CentralMass Feb 2016 #203

The super delegates do not make their endorsements based on Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #205

My desire is to eliminate a system that would allow these CentralMass Feb 2016 #226

Would it be fair to say if Sanders had the endorsement of the super delegates there Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #233

No that would not be fair to say. The will of the voters should determines the election. CentralMass Feb 2016 #235

Thank you for the post DesertRat Feb 2016 #153

You wrote that dramatic headline for yourself? bunnies Feb 2016 #158

The citizen's vote should be the only thing that counts. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #160

Well, then, don't even think about overriding the popular vote, and we'll all hug Zorra Feb 2016 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Zorra Feb 2016 #169

Super delegates serve no purpose except as hedges for the establishment. valerief Feb 2016 #171

More "pay to play" crap only this time with dues. They paid their dues, so they get to override mhatrw Feb 2016 #172

+1 Biggest victory margin in NH primary history, but Hill left with more delegates. merrily Feb 2016 #188

The poutrage is strong in this one. Fearless Feb 2016 #174

Defending something as undemocratic as Super Delegates takes a lot. merrily Feb 2016 #186

Long before I thought of Sanders running, I thought Super Delegates undemocratic. merrily Feb 2016 #178

Then join with others to overturn its use in the process in the years BEFORE a presidential election blm Feb 2016 #212

You should explain why you are tagging 'Bernie and his supporters' with this when it is an issue in Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #219

I'm not pretending anything - I'm reacting as a GOTV worker to current posts here at DU blm Feb 2016 #230

Thanks. I have joined with others . merrily Feb 2016 #244

Exactly - it is NOT carved in stone - so work to change it. blm Feb 2016 #251

It was put in place to allow the party to override the will of the people Kentonio Feb 2016 #194

complete bullshit. the only purpose of the SD is to over ride the will of the people bowens43 Feb 2016 #195

So is congress, then. You don't want it, work to change it in the years BEFORE next prez primary. blm Feb 2016 #214

then get it changed if you do not like it. riversedge Feb 2016 #222

Thanks for this! LAS14 Feb 2016 #204

Superdelegates are a longstanding firewall to stop outside extremists from hijacking political parti Gothmog Feb 2016 #210

too bad reasonable reading of this article will not be done ...... Sheepshank Feb 2016 #240

Spin spin spin... Jokerman Feb 2016 #221

Establishment ... GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #223

Thank you so much for BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #228

I completely agree; however, I think most of the slams are ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #252