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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Dem precinct chair/Sanders voter appalled at slams against super delegates being launched here. [View all]Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)108. One person, one vote. Superdelegates are one vote, same as regular delegates
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Dem precinct chair/Sanders voter appalled at slams against super delegates being launched here. [View all]
blm
Feb 2016
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John Lewis is a Super Delegate. I'd like to see you say that to his face. Yes....
George II
Feb 2016
#93
Why the hell would people go onto a private group: Hillary's or Bernie's and read then complain?
kerry-is-my-prez
Feb 2016
#161
Then there is a time to fight to abolish this part of the primary process - in the years BEFORE the
blm
Feb 2016
#229
Someone here told me the other day that Lewis is now "irrelevant" - and that his "past" sacrifices
Empowerer
Feb 2016
#120
And you have a whole thread dedicated to dismissing Bernie's past accomplishments on civil rights.
Fawke Em
Feb 2016
#154
you are laughable. I don't live in South Carolina and what I told you about my
roguevalley
Feb 2016
#138
I'm just pointing out that you essentially referred to John Lewis' position..........
George II
Feb 2016
#140
bullshit. You're on ignore so have a nice day. Awesome how you know everything
roguevalley
Feb 2016
#141
He is no where near irrelevant and the idea he wears a tiara is damn offensive
bravenak
Feb 2016
#155
Democratic politicians have been under considerable pressure to support Hillary.
merrily
Feb 2016
#179
Thing is, Debbie and the state parties are far likelier to notice how they cast their super delegate
merrily
Feb 2016
#248
My understanding that if absent supers Bernie has the lead, the supers then will go
Jackie Wilson Said
Feb 2016
#242
The voters should decide not political insiders (many who are corrupt or bought off). n/t
Skwmom
Feb 2016
#2
Yeah…. working thousands of volunteer hours year after year (EVERY election year) is corrupting.
blm
Feb 2016
#5
No - it's representatives who vote everyday in the name of their district or state.
blm
Feb 2016
#207
No - it's representatives who vote everyday in the name of their district or state.
AlbertCat
Feb 2016
#231
Work to change the process BEFORE prez primaries, then. Screaming about process DURING is
blm
Feb 2016
#234
Do you volunteer so you can override the people's vote? Should a reward for volunteering be the
Skwmom
Feb 2016
#163
Elected officials REPRESENT constituents in congress for a reason, too. Don't like superdelegate
blm
Feb 2016
#198
Heck! Cory Booker campaigned for Chris Christie's 2nd Term over the Democratic Woman Candidate!
TheBlackAdder
Feb 2016
#9
Is this true? I am a NJ expat who left around that time -- do you have some good links to read?
JonLeibowitz
Feb 2016
#59
Someone claimed the other day that the DNC endorsed Christie - when in fact it endorsed Buono AND
Empowerer
Feb 2016
#122
Yeah, endorsed her, was a virtual no show, then spoke highly of things Christie was doing.
TheBlackAdder
Feb 2016
#243
Never happened, but Booker is under the Bernie Bus so all bets are off- right?
bettyellen
Feb 2016
#196
Really? There is something extremely troubling about a system that would override the
Skwmom
Feb 2016
#165
Nope - some of the people I work with are recent college grad and have already logged thousands of
blm
Feb 2016
#12
I'd like that, but, as a GOTV activist for ALL Dems I pop up here to give another perspective that
blm
Feb 2016
#109
You don't like it, tough for me, eh? Point being that super delegates and primary process system
blm
Feb 2016
#208
No, the Sanders campaign would be far better off if the system did not exist and repeating that
merrily
Feb 2016
#247
Baloney - 2016 GOTV efforts have been under way….guess we view the election calendar differently.
blm
Feb 2016
#250
If the superdelegates follow the will of the majority there will be no problem
Fumesucker
Feb 2016
#7
If they don't the Democratic Party will be deemed ILLEGITIMATE! Then all bets are off for the party!
TheBlackAdder
Feb 2016
#11
Is there room in hell with all the female Sanders' supporters that already have reservations? n/t
PonyUp
Feb 2016
#200
If the superdelegates overrule the voters, then the voters don't matter, do they?
HooptieWagon
Feb 2016
#29
Then they are being @sshats - the gloating is just as destructive for GOTV workers as
blm
Feb 2016
#227
Irrelevant. That is precisely why the institution of super delegates was created and it
merrily
Feb 2016
#181
Same thing went on in 2008, Obama supporters sure the Supers were fixed for Clinton
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2016
#18
So the "necessity" is the risk that the people will be too stupid to make the right choice.
TDale313
Feb 2016
#105
So is Congress - we have a representative government and reps vote everyday for EVERY constituent
blm
Feb 2016
#209
But my point is that you are holding up Bernie and his supporters as very different from the regular
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2016
#216
I have repeatedly said in this thread that it happens every election cycle. And if people are
blm
Feb 2016
#225
Every election it becomes fodder for suspicion….and every year it proves to be unwarranted.
blm
Feb 2016
#27
Because you met me as a staunch anti-Clinton Democrat. I converted you, as I recall. ; )
blm
Feb 2016
#31
If it is not meant to be a thumb on the scale, why not just give all such "boots on the ground"...
JonLeibowitz
Feb 2016
#70
Try answering the question. Super delegates most definitely were created to put a thumb
merrily
Feb 2016
#184
Your own words run counter to it not being "a thumb on the scale."
cherokeeprogressive
Feb 2016
#135
Anyone who's been here awhile knows I word things awkwardly. ; ) The elected who are supers already
blm
Feb 2016
#206
150 superdelegates AREN'T elected officials. They're simply members of the DNC.
cherokeeprogressive
Feb 2016
#215
They were still elected to represent in the PROCESS - Change the process BEFORE not DURING the
blm
Feb 2016
#224
The currently constructed Democratic Party does not represent any "organized left"...
AOR
Feb 2016
#26
If that's what you think then you don't understand how it benefits Sanders - thankfully, he does.
blm
Feb 2016
#38
That never happened. And it likely never will. I'm surprised that some don't SEE how
blm
Feb 2016
#43
Please tell that to GOP, too. Or do you prefer Sanders eschew ALL super delegates and
blm
Feb 2016
#41
That's not how it actually works. Sanders knows that, and, thankfully, so do others
blm
Feb 2016
#56
you said: "Sanders and DU is better than these displays of petulance" Sanders yes, his supporters..
Bill USA
Feb 2016
#47
This primary is between Bernie and the Clinton machine, not Bernie and the GOP machine.
merrily
Feb 2016
#185
Your rhetoric seems unconnected with Democratic history. Have you heard of Harvey Milk?
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2016
#218
Not denigrating Harvey Milk or his campaign or accomplishments.... but that was a local election.
moriah
Feb 2016
#220
Wow! Where to begin. Um, you misunderstood my post. I never said the Clinton machine
merrily
Feb 2016
#246
Some delegates are more equal than others. Especially, if they aren't voted for but selected.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2016
#54
True. The process is there for more reasons than easily understood. Working in the trenches
blm
Feb 2016
#71
I think we peon voters allowed to "slam" those who wield power over us, don't you?
TwilightGardener
Feb 2016
#67
I do get that, but, as a matter of history, that distrust in super delegates is just not warranted
blm
Feb 2016
#84
They are representatives - they vote for ALL constituents every day in congress and in their states.
blm
Feb 2016
#213
You can mock me for my awkward wording all you want - but, it's a waste of your energy, imo.
blm
Feb 2016
#236
I wasn't mocking you. That looked like very careful wording to me. No awkwardness about it.
Iggo
Feb 2016
#237
Not buying what you are selling. No one has the right to dilute my vote because they are rich
GoneFishin
Feb 2016
#81
Not selling - I'm explaining how the process has also benefitted Sanders for those here who have
blm
Feb 2016
#87
Maybe you should read up on some of the history behind the reason for super delegates.
A Simple Game
Feb 2016
#86
Why did all those super delegates support Dean so early on before first primary? Fevered minds can
blm
Feb 2016
#89
Hey gorgeous….I've been trying to stay out of the fray. I pop in to counter unfair potshots being
blm
Feb 2016
#95
I didn't say they did owe me anything. And I am far from establishment. I was explaining to those
blm
Feb 2016
#103
Aw, come on-- those backroom dealmakers just have our best interests at heart!
Art_from_Ark
Feb 2016
#175
It's because of their deep experience, doncha know! They're like pros at choosing for us, man! nt
Bonobo
Feb 2016
#177
One person, one vote. Superdelegates are one vote, same as regular delegates
Feeling the Bern
Feb 2016
#108
K & R, good post, it was needed to explain the super delegate procedure.
Thinkingabout
Feb 2016
#152
Would it be fair to say if Sanders had the endorsement of the super delegates there
Thinkingabout
Feb 2016
#233
No that would not be fair to say. The will of the voters should determines the election.
CentralMass
Feb 2016
#235
Well, then, don't even think about overriding the popular vote, and we'll all hug
Zorra
Feb 2016
#162
More "pay to play" crap only this time with dues. They paid their dues, so they get to override
mhatrw
Feb 2016
#172
+1 Biggest victory margin in NH primary history, but Hill left with more delegates.
merrily
Feb 2016
#188
Long before I thought of Sanders running, I thought Super Delegates undemocratic.
merrily
Feb 2016
#178
Then join with others to overturn its use in the process in the years BEFORE a presidential election
blm
Feb 2016
#212
You should explain why you are tagging 'Bernie and his supporters' with this when it is an issue in
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2016
#219
I'm not pretending anything - I'm reacting as a GOTV worker to current posts here at DU
blm
Feb 2016
#230
complete bullshit. the only purpose of the SD is to over ride the will of the people
bowens43
Feb 2016
#195
So is congress, then. You don't want it, work to change it in the years BEFORE next prez primary.
blm
Feb 2016
#214