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3. No matter how you want to spin it...one vote should...

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Dem precinct chair/Sanders voter appalled at slams against super delegates being launched here. [View all] blm Feb 2016 OP

Thank you, someone had to say it and explain it. Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #1

only those with connections, are politicians or have their tiaras firmly roguevalley Feb 2016 #42

John Lewis is a Super Delegate. I'd like to see you say that to his face. Yes.... George II Feb 2016 #93

Your Hillary Only Group Shocking billhicks76 Feb 2016 #118

The jury is in: neverforget Feb 2016 #131

They Flagged Another Just Like This One And Won billhicks76 Feb 2016 #136

Why the hell would people go onto a private group: Hillary's or Bernie's and read then complain? kerry-is-my-prez Feb 2016 #161

You Need To Change Your Tone billhicks76 Feb 2016 #166

The jury system is not amused. Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #190

you need to stop whining. Sheepshank Feb 2016 #239

It's About Facts billhicks76 Feb 2016 #245

OH ffs....a "political revolution" is as politically hawkish as it gets Sheepshank Feb 2016 #253

Supressing Votes Isnt Working Hard billhicks76 Feb 2016 #254

Of course these folks want their candidate to win the Party Nomination, truedelphi Feb 2016 #134

Want Or Force???? billhicks76 Feb 2016 #142

I guess they will do everything they can to force it to happen. truedelphi Feb 2016 #173

I for one am sick and tired of being spoken for.. I have my own voice.. OLDMADAM Feb 2016 #197

Then there is a time to fight to abolish this part of the primary process - in the years BEFORE the blm Feb 2016 #229

this cycle has brought a new level to the super delegate thing questionseverything Feb 2016 #238

+1 berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #176

Who mentioned the Hillary Clinton Group? This is GD - P. George II Feb 2016 #217

Someone here told me the other day that Lewis is now "irrelevant" - and that his "past" sacrifices Empowerer Feb 2016 #120

And you have a whole thread dedicated to dismissing Bernie's past accomplishments on civil rights. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #154

Lol Mentality We Are Dealing With? billhicks76 Feb 2016 #167

Hear, hear! Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #168

Nation Says Hillary Decimated Black America billhicks76 Feb 2016 #170

you are laughable. I don't live in South Carolina and what I told you about my roguevalley Feb 2016 #138

I'm just pointing out that you essentially referred to John Lewis' position.......... George II Feb 2016 #140

bullshit. You're on ignore so have a nice day. Awesome how you know everything roguevalley Feb 2016 #141

He is no where near irrelevant and the idea he wears a tiara is damn offensive bravenak Feb 2016 #155

I have signed copies of both March 1 and March 2 Gothmog Feb 2016 #157

Yes he is. They should have respect. bravenak Feb 2016 #159

Have you ever been to a state convention? Gothmog Feb 2016 #156

Doesn't Change That It's Corrupt billhicks76 Feb 2016 #117

Except the explanation falls flat. CentralMass Feb 2016 #145

Democratic politicians have been under considerable pressure to support Hillary. merrily Feb 2016 #179

Overriding popular vote of their constituents. Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #191

Don't be appalled, or belittle people for the confusion. Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #192

I'm not scolding anyone. I am providing facts. CentralMass Feb 2016 #201

Thing is, Debbie and the state parties are far likelier to notice how they cast their super delegate merrily Feb 2016 #248

Well then... There must be already 3 or 4 petitions Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #255

My understanding that if absent supers Bernie has the lead, the supers then will go Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #242

The voters should decide not political insiders (many who are corrupt or bought off). n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #2

Yeah…. working thousands of volunteer hours year after year (EVERY election year) is corrupting. blm Feb 2016 #5

Google "After Sander's Big Win in New Hampshire Establishment jwirr Feb 2016 #14

heh….same here…worked on Kucinich's very first political campaign as a schoolgirl. blm Feb 2016 #58

thousands of volunteer hours AlbertCat Feb 2016 #130

Most "super" delegates sre elected officials not volunteers dflprincess Feb 2016 #151

No - it's representatives who vote everyday in the name of their district or state. blm Feb 2016 #207

No - it's representatives who vote everyday in the name of their district or state. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #231

Work to change the process BEFORE prez primaries, then. Screaming about process DURING is blm Feb 2016 #234

No, it's not actually. eomer Feb 2016 #256

Do you volunteer so you can override the people's vote? Should a reward for volunteering be the Skwmom Feb 2016 #163

Elected officials REPRESENT constituents in congress for a reason, too. Don't like superdelegate blm Feb 2016 #198

Heck! Cory Booker campaigned for Chris Christie's 2nd Term over the Democratic Woman Candidate! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #9

Is this true? I am a NJ expat who left around that time -- do you have some good links to read? JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #59

Cory Booker endorses Buono to challenge Gov. Christie brooklynite Feb 2016 #114

Someone claimed the other day that the DNC endorsed Christie - when in fact it endorsed Buono AND Empowerer Feb 2016 #122

Sixty New Jersey Democratic officials endorsed Christie Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #183

Delete this absolute bullshit mythology Feb 2016 #150

Yeah, endorsed her, was a virtual no show, then spoke highly of things Christie was doing. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #243

Never happened, but Booker is under the Bernie Bus so all bets are off- right? bettyellen Feb 2016 #196

Dedicated party workers matter less Codeine Feb 2016 #101

There's no reason to assume that treestar Feb 2016 #110

Really? There is something extremely troubling about a system that would override the Skwmom Feb 2016 #165

TOTALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #121

No matter how you want to spin it...one vote should... yourout Feb 2016 #3

Get into the arena and volunteer thousands of hours year after year. blm Feb 2016 #4

Oh good...more youth bashing. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #8

Nope - some of the people I work with are recent college grad and have already logged thousands of blm Feb 2016 #12

And these volunteers are somehow what you think a jwirr Feb 2016 #16

No - I am saying that is how many of them start out. blm Feb 2016 #21

I see. Some good politicians do indeed start out as jwirr Feb 2016 #28

Exactly. They are a benefit to campaigns like Sanders. blm Feb 2016 #44

Are you aware that it is the party that is not helping Sanders jwirr Feb 2016 #68

Not in my state and county. Or in others I know. blm Feb 2016 #79

Wow. I envy you. There are enough of us here that hopefully jwirr Feb 2016 #82

I'd like that, but, as a GOTV activist for ALL Dems I pop up here to give another perspective that blm Feb 2016 #109

I hear you. The link I gave you actually says to let it go as jwirr Feb 2016 #115

Thank you - that is exactly what is needed in my 'GOTV' point of view. blm Feb 2016 #116

I don't give hoot how many hours anyone puts into it. That's their problem. dana_b Feb 2016 #98

^ This. AzDar Feb 2016 #119

Amen billhicks76 Feb 2016 #123

Please stop saying Bernie agrees with you. merrily Feb 2016 #180

Thank you! My thoughts exactly. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #199

You don't like it, tough for me, eh? Point being that super delegates and primary process system blm Feb 2016 #208

No, the Sanders campaign would be far better off if the system did not exist and repeating that merrily Feb 2016 #247

Baloney - 2016 GOTV efforts have been under way….guess we view the election calendar differently. blm Feb 2016 #250

this. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #6

If the superdelegates follow the will of the majority there will be no problem Fumesucker Feb 2016 #7

If they don't the Democratic Party will be deemed ILLEGITIMATE! Then all bets are off for the party! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #11

It's already illegitimate.... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #15

and that hell will be named President Trump Mnpaul Feb 2016 #37

Is there room in hell with all the female Sanders' supporters that already have reservations? n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #200

The race should be decided by the voters, period. Broward Feb 2016 #10

Absolutely! ozone_man Feb 2016 #104

If the super delegates follow the will of the voters, there'll be no problem Kall Feb 2016 #13

If the voters don't matter, how can the party call itself democratic? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #17

Who is saying the voters don't matter? blm Feb 2016 #23

If the superdelegates overrule the voters, then the voters don't matter, do they? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #29

Show me when that has ever happened. blm Feb 2016 #46

Hillarians are clinging to that hope, praying it will happen. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #52

DU Hillary Group Bragging About It billhicks76 Feb 2016 #128

Then they are being @sshats - the gloating is just as destructive for GOTV workers as blm Feb 2016 #227

A poster has already declared it has happened in NH - quite recently Dragonfli Feb 2016 #77

Good question. Waiting for answer. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #202

Irrelevant. That is precisely why the institution of super delegates was created and it merrily Feb 2016 #181

Same thing went on in 2008, Obama supporters sure the Supers were fixed for Clinton Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #18

Thank you. It's a process. blm Feb 2016 #25

Out of necessity? madfloridian Feb 2016 #36

Television. blm Feb 2016 #50

So the "necessity" is the risk that the people will be too stupid to make the right choice. TDale313 Feb 2016 #105

So is Congress - we have a representative government and reps vote everyday for EVERY constituent blm Feb 2016 #209

What necessity? to overrule primary votes if deemed desirable? merrily Feb 2016 #182

But if we don't vote for Their Annointed One, Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #187

That argument is plenty bad, but this is not only about Hillary and Bernie. merrily Feb 2016 #189

But my point is that you are holding up Bernie and his supporters as very different from the regular Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #216

I have repeatedly said in this thread that it happens every election cycle. And if people are blm Feb 2016 #225

I think I understand the system reasonably well. sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #19

Every election it becomes fodder for suspicion….and every year it proves to be unwarranted. blm Feb 2016 #27

Then perhaps it's a really fucking stupid thing to keep around. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #72

The party mangled the 2008 primary. The party hierarchy CentralMass Feb 2016 #139

k&r sadoldgirl demosocialist Feb 2016 #48

Big Money Corrupts billhicks76 Feb 2016 #127

Who are you to tell us how to think? HubertHeaver Feb 2016 #20

The super delegates aren't entitled to their opinions? AAR, their votes do not FSogol Feb 2016 #30

Thank you for this good explanation mcar Feb 2016 #22

This is a democracy, not the Special Olympics. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #24

Because you met me as a staunch anti-Clinton Democrat. I converted you, as I recall. ; ) blm Feb 2016 #31

yes you were my maker :) AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #39

It's not a thumb on the scale. blm Feb 2016 #51

If it is not meant to be a thumb on the scale, why not just give all such "boots on the ground"... JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #70

Find your county headquarters. It is usually a good way to learn the ins and outs. blm Feb 2016 #76

Thanks for the info. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #83

Try answering the question. Super delegates most definitely were created to put a thumb merrily Feb 2016 #184

Your own words run counter to it not being "a thumb on the scale." cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #135

Anyone who's been here awhile knows I word things awkwardly. ; ) The elected who are supers already blm Feb 2016 #206

150 superdelegates AREN'T elected officials. They're simply members of the DNC. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #215

They were still elected to represent in the PROCESS - Change the process BEFORE not DURING the blm Feb 2016 #224

The currently constructed Democratic Party does not represent any "organized left"... AOR Feb 2016 #26

If that's what you think then you don't understand how it benefits Sanders - thankfully, he does. blm Feb 2016 #38

Electoral politics and electing Sanders... AOR Feb 2016 #60

Tell that to the tens of millions of citizens who actually NEED a Dem in office to blm Feb 2016 #66

Again...the currently constructed Democratic Party... AOR Feb 2016 #88

K&R. Thanks for inserting some truth into the wailing and gnashing of teeth FSogol Feb 2016 #32

Act of petulance? blm you are better than that. madfloridian Feb 2016 #33

That never happened. And it likely never will. I'm surprised that some don't SEE how blm Feb 2016 #43

Oh please. 99Forever Feb 2016 #34

Please tell that to GOP, too. Or do you prefer Sanders eschew ALL super delegates and blm Feb 2016 #41

It's a tie! ImaPolitico Feb 2016 #97

Not my job. 99Forever Feb 2016 #129

Thank you for being the one to explain this. Hekate Feb 2016 #35

This latest round of arrows being slung at super delegates forced this post. blm Feb 2016 #40

These elected officials work HAAAARD Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #45

^^ This. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #49

That's not how it actually works. Sanders knows that, and, thankfully, so do others blm Feb 2016 #56

that's their same approach to economics MisterP Feb 2016 #61

Not the same, at all, MisterP, and you know it. ; P blm Feb 2016 #91

+1 (NT) Eric J in MN Feb 2016 #111

you said: "Sanders and DU is better than these displays of petulance" Sanders yes, his supporters.. Bill USA Feb 2016 #47

The only people who are doing so are, on both sides, fighting the last war. moriah Feb 2016 #53

Salute. Good post. blm Feb 2016 #63

Thanks! :) n/t moriah Feb 2016 #73

This primary is between Bernie and the Clinton machine, not Bernie and the GOP machine. merrily Feb 2016 #185

Okay, since you opened that can of worms... moriah Feb 2016 #211

Your rhetoric seems unconnected with Democratic history. Have you heard of Harvey Milk? Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #218

Not denigrating Harvey Milk or his campaign or accomplishments.... but that was a local election. moriah Feb 2016 #220

Wow! Where to begin. Um, you misunderstood my post. I never said the Clinton machine merrily Feb 2016 #246

Definitely, I misunderstood, but... moriah Feb 2016 #249

Some delegates are more equal than others. Especially, if they aren't voted for but selected. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #54

The superdelegate system is anti-democratic and should be abolished. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #55

The slams are not against superdelegates, but the ratfucking PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #57

True. The process is there for more reasons than easily understood. Working in the trenches blm Feb 2016 #71

I don't think anyone is slamming superdelegates. Vinca Feb 2016 #62

Thank you for your post. It was needed. riversedge Feb 2016 #64

you do really have it right about the displays of petulance mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #65

I think we peon voters allowed to "slam" those who wield power over us, don't you? TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #67

k&r bigtree Feb 2016 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author John Poet Feb 2016 #74

Thank you for posting this. SheilaT Feb 2016 #75

Hi blm, retrowire Feb 2016 #78

I do get that, but, as a matter of history, that distrust in super delegates is just not warranted blm Feb 2016 #84

well, whoever claimed that fear led to rational reactions? retrowire Feb 2016 #85

; ) blm Feb 2016 #90

"...gain an added voice..." Iggo Feb 2016 #80

They are representatives - they vote for ALL constituents every day in congress and in their states. blm Feb 2016 #213

So then they don't "gain an added voice"? Iggo Feb 2016 #232

You can mock me for my awkward wording all you want - but, it's a waste of your energy, imo. blm Feb 2016 #236

I wasn't mocking you. That looked like very careful wording to me. No awkwardness about it. Iggo Feb 2016 #237

Perhaps to you - But, others who know me better here could probably see the blm Feb 2016 #241

Not buying what you are selling. No one has the right to dilute my vote because they are rich GoneFishin Feb 2016 #81

Not selling - I'm explaining how the process has also benefitted Sanders for those here who have blm Feb 2016 #87

Maybe you should read up on some of the history behind the reason for super delegates. A Simple Game Feb 2016 #86

Why did all those super delegates support Dean so early on before first primary? Fevered minds can blm Feb 2016 #89

thanks and side note: salin Feb 2016 #92

Hey gorgeous….I've been trying to stay out of the fray. I pop in to counter unfair potshots being blm Feb 2016 #95

I, too, have been staying out of the fray. salin Feb 2016 #106

Shorter explanation nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #94

And THAT is the reality. blm Feb 2016 #100

Well I had to stop following a local party chairwoman nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #102

Therein lies the problem. Clinton Machine? Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #143

I've worked as a precinct chair & I don't think anyone TBF Feb 2016 #96

I didn't say they did owe me anything. And I am far from establishment. I was explaining to those blm Feb 2016 #103

How DARE anyone challenge the right to have unequal political influence! nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #99

Aw, come on-- those backroom dealmakers just have our best interests at heart! Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #175

It's because of their deep experience, doncha know! They're like pros at choosing for us, man! nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #177

Thank you. BooScout Feb 2016 #107

One person, one vote. Superdelegates are one vote, same as regular delegates Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #108

That is not even close to being correct. CentralMass Feb 2016 #144

Wrong. state goes to someone, they get the delegates Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #146

Did you read my post ? That was the point I was making. CentralMass Feb 2016 #147

I misinterpreted your post, as I believe you misinterpreted mine Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #148

Absolutely. CentralMass Feb 2016 #149

The use of superdelegates seems like a self-destruct button, to me. w4rma Feb 2016 #112

Exactly UglyGreed Feb 2016 #124

Here have some UglyGreed Feb 2016 #113

. UglyGreed Feb 2016 #125

With respect... davidthegnome Feb 2016 #126

Some people are just more equal than others. noamnety Feb 2016 #132

Even understanding the super delegate system... MellowDem Feb 2016 #133

The question is, should some votes count more than others? Android3.14 Feb 2016 #137

K & R, good post, it was needed to explain the super delegate procedure. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #152

She won 38% of the vote in NH but is receiving 75% of the super delegates CentralMass Feb 2016 #164

And your point is? Do you understand the difference in Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #193

Yes, I fully understand the difference. CentralMass Feb 2016 #203

The super delegates do not make their endorsements based on Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #205

My desire is to eliminate a system that would allow these CentralMass Feb 2016 #226

Would it be fair to say if Sanders had the endorsement of the super delegates there Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #233

No that would not be fair to say. The will of the voters should determines the election. CentralMass Feb 2016 #235

Thank you for the post DesertRat Feb 2016 #153

You wrote that dramatic headline for yourself? bunnies Feb 2016 #158

The citizen's vote should be the only thing that counts. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #160

Well, then, don't even think about overriding the popular vote, and we'll all hug Zorra Feb 2016 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Zorra Feb 2016 #169

Super delegates serve no purpose except as hedges for the establishment. valerief Feb 2016 #171

More "pay to play" crap only this time with dues. They paid their dues, so they get to override mhatrw Feb 2016 #172

+1 Biggest victory margin in NH primary history, but Hill left with more delegates. merrily Feb 2016 #188

The poutrage is strong in this one. Fearless Feb 2016 #174

Defending something as undemocratic as Super Delegates takes a lot. merrily Feb 2016 #186

Long before I thought of Sanders running, I thought Super Delegates undemocratic. merrily Feb 2016 #178

Then join with others to overturn its use in the process in the years BEFORE a presidential election blm Feb 2016 #212

You should explain why you are tagging 'Bernie and his supporters' with this when it is an issue in Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #219

I'm not pretending anything - I'm reacting as a GOTV worker to current posts here at DU blm Feb 2016 #230

Thanks. I have joined with others . merrily Feb 2016 #244

Exactly - it is NOT carved in stone - so work to change it. blm Feb 2016 #251

It was put in place to allow the party to override the will of the people Kentonio Feb 2016 #194

complete bullshit. the only purpose of the SD is to over ride the will of the people bowens43 Feb 2016 #195

So is congress, then. You don't want it, work to change it in the years BEFORE next prez primary. blm Feb 2016 #214

then get it changed if you do not like it. riversedge Feb 2016 #222

Thanks for this! LAS14 Feb 2016 #204

Superdelegates are a longstanding firewall to stop outside extremists from hijacking political parti Gothmog Feb 2016 #210

too bad reasonable reading of this article will not be done ...... Sheepshank Feb 2016 #240

Spin spin spin... Jokerman Feb 2016 #221

Establishment ... GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #223

Thank you so much for BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #228

I completely agree; however, I think most of the slams are ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #252