2016 Postmortem

Nanjeanne

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136. Right - because people don't want healthcare, expanded SS, tuition free public colleges, an end to

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Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:00 PM

Feb 2016

endless wars, money out of politics, a reversal of Citizens United, a stop to corporate welfare, no fracking, etc.

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Even without the socialism, Bernie's policy positions alone would sink him in the GE. [View all] DanTex Feb 2016 OP

Can't trust the gubermint to run a big program? What a great argument! Wish I'd thought of that! Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #1

Laughing at people who think that wont change the fact that they are a significant majority. DanTex Feb 2016 #2

Actually laughing at and about right wing foolishness is a very useful tactic for changing the fools Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #60

I would imagine that there's psychological research on the question of whether DanTex Feb 2016 #64

If you have to imagine why are you affecting authority? What goals have you accomplished with your Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #71

Sorry Dan, nice try! Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #111

i don't think moderates and independents care much about her wall street ties, such as they are. ShrimpPoboy Feb 2016 #118

We get it. You think the Democratic Party is conservative. TransitJohn Feb 2016 #3

Rutgers-Eagleton Poli-Sci folks say this is a never seen before phenomenon--highly unpredictable! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #86

You have no credentials to make such a statement with authority. nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #4

No, I'm not a political scientist. If you're care what scholars who do this professionally think... DanTex Feb 2016 #7

'Scholars' said marriage equality was impossible and seeking it would detroy the Democratic Party. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #80

Nice way to keep Democrats motivated..... daleanime Feb 2016 #5

Bernie's foreign policy experience webpage ONLY lists Lucinda Feb 2016 #6

Yeah, but it IS the Socialism that will sink him. A keyframe from a GOP ad this Fall ---> onehandle Feb 2016 #8

The socialism, of course, would be huge. But even beyond that, there's so much material for them. DanTex Feb 2016 #11

They called Obama every name in the book... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #14

Neither Hillary nor Obama are on video a thousand times calling themselves a Socialist. nt onehandle Feb 2016 #28

Just have to see how it plays out... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #31

So what? Here is some National Republican rhetoric about Hillary from before Bill got elected: Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #65

you greatly overestimate the stupidity of the American people bowens43 Feb 2016 #24

Just like they have been doing for the last 8 years..... blackspade Feb 2016 #113

WOLVERINES!!! frylock Feb 2016 #114

Bernie who is the most dangerous country right now.....and the winner is... bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #9

Look at the bright spot. He doesn't have a muslim sounding name. Baitball Blogger Feb 2016 #10

Even if he actually were a muslim, it doesn't poll as badly as being a socialist. DanTex Feb 2016 #13

I'm sure that it's not a coincidence that the forces of evil in this country are overrelying on the Baitball Blogger Feb 2016 #23

Are you calling me "the forces of evil"? A little over the top, don't you think? DanTex Feb 2016 #30

Are you really basing your harassment of Bernie Sanders on a poll? Baitball Blogger Feb 2016 #43

Or having Commie Stalin money funding the Koch brothers funding the Republicans and DLC? cascadiance Feb 2016 #32

The socialist junk has been worn out by the right. leftupnorth Feb 2016 #34

Not what the polls say. And I'm sure that people under 40 think about it differently. DanTex Feb 2016 #35

So we need to suffer the ignorance of those who cling desperately to 20th century propaganda? leftupnorth Feb 2016 #49

The problem is, they get to vote too. DanTex Feb 2016 #53

It doesn't seem like it. It seems to me you're perfectly comtent to exploit their fears. leftupnorth Feb 2016 #56

How am I exploiting anyone's fears? DanTex Feb 2016 #59

Seriously? leftupnorth Feb 2016 #62

Yes. DanTex Feb 2016 #63

It's pretty obvious, isn't it? leftupnorth Feb 2016 #67

Excellent post. Baitball Blogger Feb 2016 #69

When did I say anything about reinforcing ignorance or manipulating fear? I didn't. DanTex Feb 2016 #72

Except they do like democratic socialism once they figure out what it is. leftupnorth Feb 2016 #75

That's a prediction with very little factual basis. DanTex Feb 2016 #79

Yes, becaus hilldawg's bros on Wall Street never hurt anyone, right? leftupnorth Feb 2016 #88

He's not saying to reinforce their ignorance mythology Feb 2016 #78

And that's fine in personal relationships. But it is defeatism in politics. leftupnorth Feb 2016 #91

People over 40 as well....if they have a lick of sense. blackspade Feb 2016 #116

I think your analysis of the American electorate is completely tone deaf. leftupnorth Feb 2016 #12

It's mostly based on polls, and also on what has actually happened in the recent past. DanTex Feb 2016 #15

Pretty sure the Iraq war had wide public support. leftupnorth Feb 2016 #18

Some of these folks should try living in a red state redstateblues Feb 2016 #27

+1 ShrimpPoboy Feb 2016 #121

The game changer is that Bernie has helped people to see the world differently. Look at all avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #112

Only among the most liberal group. And even that is only because none of ideas DanTex Feb 2016 #122

Well said. CentralMass Feb 2016 #74

Wrong with all of your arguments; actually, Americans are ready & eager for Bernie's platform; amborin Feb 2016 #16

His tax plan calls for a 2% raise in the payroll tax, and 6% to employers. If you think that the DanTex Feb 2016 #17

Is this deliberately an out of context charge leftupnorth Feb 2016 #20

I covered that. DanTex Feb 2016 #26

Seems like you take a lot of pages out of the Republican campaign playbook... HMMM.... n/t cascadiance Feb 2016 #38

Paul Krugman is now the Republican campaign playbook? Is that really how far-gone we're becoming? DanTex Feb 2016 #41

They certainly won't believe a typical duplicitous, backstabbing politician. leftupnorth Feb 2016 #42

A 2 % higher payroll tax in exchange for Medicare for all? Sign me up. wilsonbooks Feb 2016 #37

Good for you. The problem is selling it to the American people. DanTex Feb 2016 #39

He just has to be made sure that we don't hurt his insurance company exec friends... cascadiance Feb 2016 #40

i posted a detailed comparative analysis last week of both tax plans..... amborin Feb 2016 #44

It's amazing how blind BSS redstateblues Feb 2016 #19

Completely blind. I can see how 20-year-olds might think that way, having never really seen what DanTex Feb 2016 #22

It is amazing Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #29

I think Hillary would disagree with you. sammythecat Feb 2016 #100

What is that path to victory for Bernie? Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #119

more hill people bullshit, Bernie is easily more electable then hillary bowens43 Feb 2016 #21

Poll: Most Americans unwilling to vote for a socialist Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #33

And you think independents would flock over to a corporatist pushing more TPP and more H-1B visas... cascadiance Feb 2016 #46

You forgot baby killing, elitist, meany Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #54

Sorry, you're not addressing the points here. You like losing your jobs with such programs?... cascadiance Feb 2016 #120

It's really pretty simple Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #123

If she wants to stop H-1B program expansion from taking our jobs then why doesn't she SAY SO!!! cascadiance Feb 2016 #128

Oh, populist movements exist Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #129

Mubarek isn't exactly laughing at that "theory"... cascadiance Feb 2016 #130

And Yet Only a Few Months Later... DrFunkenstein Feb 2016 #47

Yes, those Iowans are the spitting image of America! Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #52

umm....no less than South Carolina or any other southern state. Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #77

K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #25

What Are The Policy Positions of His Opponents In The GE? DrFunkenstein Feb 2016 #36

That doesn't get discussed much in GDP. But basically, they all want DanTex Feb 2016 #48

Then why vote? JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #45

It's politics, you never get everything you want. Even with Sanders. DanTex Feb 2016 #50

no one with hillarys low favorability numbers restorefreedom Feb 2016 #51

Thanks for posting this winterwar Feb 2016 #110

there is a great graphic on one of these threads restorefreedom Feb 2016 #127

Absolutely false. Absolutely biased op. Fearless Feb 2016 #55

Why single payer died in Vermont Gothmog Feb 2016 #57

And the remarkable thing was that in VT, it had already passed. DanTex Feb 2016 #61

Vermont has 650,000 people and that's not a very large pool for a system of any sort. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #76

So you think administering what would be the largest single payer system in the world DanTex Feb 2016 #81

Luxembourg, where I have been, has a per capita GDP of $116,000 compared to the US at $53,000 Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #87

Aha, dodging the question. Figures. I'll repeat it. DanTex Feb 2016 #89

In what way was Bernie administrator of Vermont health care? In what way does a President administer Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #92

Yes, it would absolutely be easier to administer it nation wide than on one small state. thesquanderer Feb 2016 #107

This is truly absurd. The lengths people will go... DanTex Feb 2016 #115

Reasonable point. Perhaps the biggest obstacle was the limitations in how they could fund it. thesquanderer Feb 2016 #134

I also wanted to add that a US Senator from a State does not administer their health plan just as Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #90

Exactly right. GOP is just waiting to unload on Bernie if he's our nominee. K & R nt Persondem Feb 2016 #58

The GOP has and will 'unload' on any Democratic nominee, the question is how will that Democrat Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #68

The GOP will have very precise sound bites to use against Bernie that they didn't have with any Persondem Feb 2016 #73

Sorry, they hurl whatever turd is at hand at whatever Democrat we run, I just watched them insist Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #83

Bernie's past actions and speeches allow for some big turds to be hurled his way. Persondem Feb 2016 #124

The Republican Party and the Tea Party hate the Clinton's. SamKnause Feb 2016 #66

+1. You cut through the bullshit very nicely. navarth Feb 2016 #131

Bernies positions are immensely popular. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #70

But could not be adopted even when the Democrats had control of house and 60 votes in Senate Gothmog Feb 2016 #98

So your answer is to give up? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #104

I gave this a Rec because you gotta hand it to DanTex... ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #82

But he needs more towels, he throws it into the ring runs after to fetch it back, throws that same Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #93

somebody get this man MORE TOWELS!!!!! ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #95

Do you ever get tired of your own propaganda? Nt Logical Feb 2016 #84

Apparently not. It is pretty comical though. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #106

Maybe you're right HassleCat Feb 2016 #85

Fortunately they have polls about foreign policy, so we don't have to speculate. DanTex Feb 2016 #96

I guess that settles that HassleCat Feb 2016 #125

Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all Gothmog Feb 2016 #94

I have absolutely NO CONFIDENCE in Bernie's foreign policy abilities. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #97

Yes, I remember people having NO CONFIDENCE in Barack Obama's foreign policy abilities when he ran avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #117

Krugman- Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan Gothmog Feb 2016 #99

Looks like today is Authoritarians Ordering Bernie's Supporters to Stop Supporting Him Day! djean111 Feb 2016 #101

k&r DesertRat Feb 2016 #102

Excellent... asuhornets Feb 2016 #103

Yes, this is exactly why he's polling better than Clinton against the Republicans. jalan48 Feb 2016 #105

Single payer is a big example? thesquanderer Feb 2016 #108

Um.... blackspade Feb 2016 #109

Hillary's baggage will sink her in the GE. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #126

Even without the red baiting, horseshit. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #132

I so want to call a TIME-OUT Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #133

Kick. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #135

Right - because people don't want healthcare, expanded SS, tuition free public colleges, an end to Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #136

k&r DesertRat Feb 2016 #137

In 2012, something like 42% of the population believed Obama rusty fender Feb 2016 #138