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2016 Postmortem

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H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:26 PM Feb 2016

Revolution #3 [View all]

One of the most valuable periods of my life was the years where I served as Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman’s top assistant. Paul sat on both the Onondaga Council of Chiefs, and the Haudenosaunee (aka Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy) Grand Council of Chiefs. I had the pleasure and privilege of not only being close enough that people at the nation referred to me as “Paul’s son,” but also attending numerous meetings with Paul. These included at Onondaga, small towns and large universities, and with everyone, from average citizens, to elected officials, to representatives from the United Nations.

Paul believed strongly in tradition. Thus, in his opinion, it was important that the Chiefs serve the people, literally. Paul looked out for what non-Indian society views as “the least among us.” He and I frequently spoke at various public meetings, and at lots of colleges and universities. Much f the time, we were paid for presenting to groups such as college students. At such times, neither of us benefited financially. We did not even use a few bucks for “traveling expenses” -- for gas and/or a meal.

Instead, every penny of that money went into a fund to support the poorest people on Onondaga Nation territory. I think that most of the time, it helped pay elders’ fuel bills. And some of it went for groceries.

I remember some non-Onondaga people who would say we were “crazy,” that we were making good money, and were entitled to it. But that was not our way.

I remember a meeting where a man from a corporation asked for a “private” meeting with us. So we arranged for the Tadodaho and two other Chiefs to arrive at the secret, private meeting place. The gentleman from the corporation had a briefcase, which was pretty full of money. But, within minutes, he understood that this was not a valued currency among us. Obviously, we all use money to pay bills; the cashier at a grocery store never says that we get a pass, for the good work we do. But there are things -- and people -- that money just can’t buy.

Over the years that I’ve been on this wonderful forum, I’ve participated in numerous discussions on the influence that the Iroquois had on the Founding Fathers. Even today, there are some people who attempt to argue that the Founding Fathers did not learn important lessons from the Iroquois, and apply them to their concepts on the structure and meaning of the Constitution of the United States of America. Like those who rigidly deny climate change, they serve as examples of choosen ignorance.

A person need only read a single book, “Exiled in the Land of the Free : Democracy, Indian Nations, and the U.S. Constitution” by authors including Oren Lyons, John Mohawk, and Vine Deloria, Jr. (Clear Light Publishers; 1992) for an accurate, well-documented, and impossible-to-refute read on this topic.

Just as no individual is “perfect,” neither is any society. That includes the Iroquois society, and the United States. But, by no coincidence, there was more to Iroquois culture than simply the structure of our governments. In his 1974 book, “Red,White, and Black : The Peoples of Early America” (Prentice-Hall), author Gary B. Nash noted the following:

“Even hard-bitten, unsentimental colonists often recognized that Indian society, though by no means without its problems and its own disreputable characters, put white society to shame. …Throughout the colonial period European observers stood in awe of the central Indian traits of hospitality, generosity, bravery, and the spirit of mutual caring. Indians seemed to embody these Christian virtues almost without effort in a corner of the earth where Europeans, attempting to build a society with similar characteristics, were being pulled in the opposite direction by the natural abundance around them -- towards individualism, disputatiousness, aggrandizement of wealth, and the exploitation of other humans. ….these Indian virtues came far closer to the precepts of Christianity that most colonists found it comfortable to admit.”

I think that this goes a long way in explaining why so many of us are inspired by Bernie Sanders, and believe that his campaign offers this nation a unique opportunity to get back on the track that offers true democracy and social justice.

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Revolution #3 [View all] H2O Man Feb 2016 OP
Beautiful. pangaia Feb 2016 #1
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Great to think about this. K&R JudyM Feb 2016 #10
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Well said Dem2 Feb 2016 #11
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beautiful. Thank you so much. roguevalley Feb 2016 #16
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K & R! jen63 Feb 2016 #20
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Kicked and recommended! Thank you for sharing that, H2O Man. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #21
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Kicking. vanlassie Feb 2016 #22
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It brings to mind what Gandhi said. zeemike Feb 2016 #23
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Splendid. Beautiful. And I've got to read more on this. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #24
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You've recommended one, which sounds great. What might be some others? highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #61
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Your posts are always worth reading and have been for over well over 10 years ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #26
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When you ever feel like you have nothing to contribute... hootinholler Feb 2016 #33
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I love positive political posts longship Feb 2016 #30
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Makes perfect sense to me, H2O Man. senz Feb 2016 #31
Thanks, senz! H2O Man Feb 2016 #54
The Iroquois also influenced the feminists who met at Seneca Falls n/t eridani Feb 2016 #32
Right. H2O Man Feb 2016 #55
Well done. Recommended. mmonk Feb 2016 #34
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Very good words. mmonk Feb 2016 #58
I see. Gregorian Feb 2016 #51
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After posting, I had a question. Gregorian Feb 2016 #59
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