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In reply to the discussion: "What we can’t stomach is even the whiff of impropriety or error" Des Moines Register. [View all]madfloridian
(88,117 posts)93. Interesting post in comments from an Iowan. Very upset.
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Gren Ville Believe me, Iowans are mourning right along with you. Well, some anyway. I am not mourning the outcome of the Iowa caucuses. As a Sanders supporter, I saw his campaign blossom from 4 percent support to a virtual tie--against a very powerful, successful establishment candidate who had a juggernaut of money, resources and an amazing ground game. I was thrilled with his "virtual tie" and I consider it a success.
I am disheartened because there are anomolies that happened around the state in many Democratic precincts--and that our Democratic party will not allow Bernie Sanders to examine the math sheets that were turned in. It doesn't help, as others have pointed out, that the gatekeeper who is saying an affirmative, "No" to Sander's requests is an avid Hillary Clinton supporter--the Chairperson of the Iowa Democratic Party, Andy McGuire. Her vanity plate reads, "HRC2016". She was one of the co-chairs of Hillary's 2008 Iowa campaign. The New York Times has reported that McGuire has held fundraisers for Hillary Clinton, in her own home in Iowa. McGuire is certainly entitled to support the candidate of her choice. She's an active Democrat, so of course she will have strong opinions. The problem is that she is the gatekeeper. She is preventing an examination of our caucus results AND she's an avid Clinton supporter, fundraiser and co-chair of Clinton's 2008 Iowa campaign. There is an appearance of impropriety that makes our state and our process look dishonest and suspect.
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"What we can’t stomach is even the whiff of impropriety or error" Des Moines Register. [View all]
madfloridian
Feb 2016
OP
Here's the takeaway--if the IDP refuses to audit its own findings, then you have to wonder
TwilightGardener
Feb 2016
#1
Possibly. And an audit would reveal whether or not the mistakes favored one candidate. (nt)
jeff47
Feb 2016
#58
The head of Iowa Democratic Party is a Clinton supporter, fund-raiser and former campaign co-chair
CoffeeCat
Feb 2016
#36
What their campaign exactly said is: *There's no plan to look backwards* Tad Devine 2 Feb
JimDandy
Feb 2016
#64
By Tuesday the Iowa Party had already said they wouldn't be getting the raw data,
pnwmom
Feb 2016
#65
that state primaries are transparent is the biggest bunch of stink i have read today
questionseverything
Feb 2016
#82
This OP has the latest info, as of yesterday, that Sanders still wants the raw voter data
JimDandy
Feb 2016
#81
I wish I were. Someone here posted a pic of it a couple days ago, but I didn't bookmark it. - nt
KingCharlemagne
Feb 2016
#41
The story has changed multiple times, and then we were told it didn't even matter and wasn't
TwilightGardener
Feb 2016
#32
What about Sanders? After all, based on the facts above HE won six of seven coin tosses.
George II
Feb 2016
#44
Well, that the exact opposite we heard earlier. So which version do we trust?
madfloridian
Feb 2016
#74
I think it is probably an accurate statenent of the facts that the Iowa party is aware of.
Skinner
Feb 2016
#24
Exactly...McGuire could clear up all of these questions by providing the raw voter data. n/t
JimDandy
Feb 2016
#70
It seems pretty obvious that the system was likely gamed, and the actual results compromised.
NorthCarolina
Feb 2016
#7
This was Bernie's first caucus. This was the Combined-Clintons'..what--fourth?
TwilightGardener
Feb 2016
#11
The problem is, She has positioned her familiars at every key point in the process
Dragonfli
Feb 2016
#17
Her new problem is that after seeing it in '08 and yet again now, ppl are wising up
Dragonfli
Feb 2016
#28
so, you think the Leader of the Free World should be a street fightin' man? May I suggest:
Hiraeth
Feb 2016
#21
Oh, please. When tens of thousands of people and hundreds of counties are involved...
randome
Feb 2016
#22
Then there should be no problem with all parties laying their cards on the table. Easy enough then.
Ed Suspicious
Feb 2016
#54
This is exactly why the majority of Americans don't vote. They know the government and the electoral
liberal_at_heart
Feb 2016
#25
Maybe it's time for the primaries/caucuses to rotate. If we can't trust in the accuracy of the
A Simple Game
Feb 2016
#37
The absence of transparency and the absolutism of the party Chair suggests they don't really know
Ford_Prefect
Feb 2016
#38
The butt stupidest thing about this article is DNC delegates weren't even selected
Gman
Feb 2016
#46
Go talk to the Des Moines Register, tell them it's a "butt-stupid" article.
madfloridian
Feb 2016
#49
So a newspaper loudly lauded here a few days ago is now a "whiner"? Oh, my.
madfloridian
Feb 2016
#55
Do you know if any of the corporate media conglomerates; CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC etc. etc.
Uncle Joe
Feb 2016
#84
Wow! Read this from DKos by fladem who worked at the caucus. It's shocking.
madfloridian
Feb 2016
#85