2016 Postmortem

Hiraeth

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19. Thank you for integrity in our election system. K&R

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Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:58 PM

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"What we can’t stomach is even the whiff of impropriety or error" Des Moines Register. [View all] madfloridian Feb 2016 OP

Here's the takeaway--if the IDP refuses to audit its own findings, then you have to wonder TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #1

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #3

You do have to wonder lovuian Feb 2016 #4

Most likely, typos. jeff47 Feb 2016 #6

"innocent" mistakes when there is an obvious benefit to be had Helen Borg Feb 2016 #57

Possibly. And an audit would reveal whether or not the mistakes favored one candidate. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #58

Exactly. NowSam Feb 2016 #15

This is a Dem party-run thing--who watches the party for integrity? TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Gman Feb 2016 #50

The head of Iowa Democratic Party is a Clinton supporter, fund-raiser and former campaign co-chair CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #36

More nepotism I see AlbertCat Feb 2016 #42

Bernie's campaign says they're not disputing it. pnwmom Feb 2016 #48

What their campaign exactly said is: *There's no plan to look backwards* Tad Devine 2 Feb JimDandy Feb 2016 #64

By Tuesday the Iowa Party had already said they wouldn't be getting the raw data, pnwmom Feb 2016 #65

The head of the Iowa Dems said that in the wee hours Tuesday morning. JimDandy Feb 2016 #67

So you haven't seen anything contradicting this after Tuesday: pnwmom Feb 2016 #68

So you haven't seen anything contradicting my original reply to you. JimDandy Feb 2016 #71

If Bernie was still calling for data, I'm pretty sure we'd be hearing about it. pnwmom Feb 2016 #72

so if this is the iowa dem party's line questionseverything Feb 2016 #77

They did in my state when they went to court to say that they wouldn't pnwmom Feb 2016 #78

primaries can easily be rigged...transparency is the key questionseverything Feb 2016 #79

State primaries have to follow state election laws and have to be transparent. pnwmom Feb 2016 #80

that state primaries are transparent is the biggest bunch of stink i have read today questionseverything Feb 2016 #82

This OP has the latest info, as of yesterday, that Sanders still wants the raw voter data JimDandy Feb 2016 #81

I agree that the party should stop doing caucuses and let the state government pnwmom Feb 2016 #90

Glad we have something to agree about. JimDandy Feb 2016 #91

We have caucuses in my own state so I knew they would cause a problem pnwmom Feb 2016 #92

I wonder what would have happened if Bernie won by .02 of 1%? jillan Feb 2016 #2

There's no way the Clinton camp would accept it without a challenge. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #5

Of course: Debbie expects all millennials to be complacent... Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #8

And the Iowa Dem chair was part of Hillary's team in 2008 peacebird Feb 2016 #10

Judging by McGuire's vanity plate -- "HRC 2016" -- she is the paragon KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #31

You have got to be kidding me... HRC2016 is her vanity plate? peacebird Feb 2016 #39

I wish I were. Someone here posted a pic of it a couple days ago, but I didn't bookmark it. - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #41

Apparently they did go the other way Skinner Feb 2016 #9

Weird. Maybe I won the coin tosses???!! elias49 Feb 2016 #12

Not sure how you got that from my post... Skinner Feb 2016 #13

Just this: for most of the night and day after the caucuses elias49 Feb 2016 #23

The story has changed multiple times, and then we were told it didn't even matter and wasn't TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #32

that is the huge problem questionseverything Feb 2016 #63

Such a very close margin demands more scrutiny... madfloridian Feb 2016 #73

What about Sanders? After all, based on the facts above HE won six of seven coin tosses. George II Feb 2016 #44

Well, that the exact opposite we heard earlier. So which version do we trust? madfloridian Feb 2016 #74

This is false. bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #18

I think it is probably an accurate statenent of the facts that the Iowa party is aware of. Skinner Feb 2016 #24

Obviously we need more information then. n/t whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #52

Exactly...McGuire could clear up all of these questions by providing the raw voter data. n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #70

this...... restorefreedom Feb 2016 #26

Hillary would get a recount. No doubt about it. 840high Feb 2016 #47

It seems pretty obvious that the system was likely gamed, and the actual results compromised. NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #7

This was Bernie's first caucus. This was the Combined-Clintons'..what--fourth? TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #11

The problem is, She has positioned her familiars at every key point in the process Dragonfli Feb 2016 #17

It was this way in 2008, even more so now. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #20

Her new problem is that after seeing it in '08 and yet again now, ppl are wising up Dragonfli Feb 2016 #28

so, you think the Leader of the Free World should be a street fightin' man? May I suggest: Hiraeth Feb 2016 #21

they do have their own count and it does not match the partys questionseverything Feb 2016 #76

IOW, Use tradition as an excuse to block transparency. /nt RiverLover Feb 2016 #14

Thank you for integrity in our election system. K&R Hiraeth Feb 2016 #19

Oh, please. When tens of thousands of people and hundreds of counties are involved... randome Feb 2016 #22

Then there should be no problem with all parties laying their cards on the table. Easy enough then. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #54

There should never be a problem with transparency. madfloridian Feb 2016 #75

This is exactly why the majority of Americans don't vote. They know the government and the electoral liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #25

K&R. This is the kind of behavior I'd expect from the Republican Party. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #27

Ironically, the Republican party in IA is more transparent jeff47 Feb 2016 #59

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #29

.... madfloridian Feb 2016 #94

Regardless of who you support you should be for transparency. GoneFishin Feb 2016 #30

What is the Iowa Democratic Party trying to hide? frylock Feb 2016 #33

Memory Lane: DesMoines Register in 2012 'stomaching' Romney win….. blm Feb 2016 #34

K & R! SoapBox Feb 2016 #35

Maybe it's time for the primaries/caucuses to rotate. If we can't trust in the accuracy of the A Simple Game Feb 2016 #37

It's a Republic style democracy. saidsimplesimon Feb 2016 #40

What the hell??? Plucketeer Feb 2016 #61

The absence of transparency and the absolutism of the party Chair suggests they don't really know Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #38

it would without doubt support the published result. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #43

As we think about it now..Hillary rushed to declare herself the winner INdemo Feb 2016 #45

The butt stupidest thing about this article is DNC delegates weren't even selected Gman Feb 2016 #46

Go talk to the Des Moines Register, tell them it's a "butt-stupid" article. madfloridian Feb 2016 #49

Bernie's spokesman Tad Davine announced they're not disputing it. pnwmom Feb 2016 #51

That's old info from Tuesday Feb 2. The above OP is from yesterday: JimDandy Feb 2016 #86

Is there no end to the whining on this? Gman Feb 2016 #53

So a newspaper loudly lauded here a few days ago is now a "whiner"? Oh, my. madfloridian Feb 2016 #55

Oh FFS coyote Feb 2016 #66

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #56

It's really hard to believe that a Clinton could be a cheater. nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #60

I didn't say that. Neither does the article. madfloridian Feb 2016 #69

Interesting post in comments from UK poster, nail on head. madfloridian Feb 2016 #62

A rec for this post. nt malokvale77 Feb 2016 #83

Do you know if any of the corporate media conglomerates; CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC etc. etc. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #84

Wow! Read this from DKos by fladem who worked at the caucus. It's shocking. madfloridian Feb 2016 #85

This is why Michael Whouley came to Iowa. mhatrw Feb 2016 #89

Heard he was hanging around in Iowa again lately. madfloridian Feb 2016 #95

Kick! FloriTexan Feb 2016 #87

Amen to that. madfloridian Feb 2016 #88

Interesting post in comments from an Iowan. Very upset. madfloridian Feb 2016 #93