2016 Postmortem

pnwmom

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163. But the LCV logo was NOT Being used to identify a citation, so it wasn't fair use.

Reply to Bubzer (Reply #162)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:09 PM

Jan 2016

They were using it on their mailers to falsely imply that they had the endorsement of LCV. Lying isn't fair use.

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AARP: We did not authorize the Sanders campaign to use our logo in their campaign mailing [View all] Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 OP

Is that unethical? NurseJackie Jan 2016 #1

Using a private unsecure server to hold national security secrets certainly is. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #9

Deflection, this is not the first time they were caught doing this. Also, synergie Jan 2016 #12

Yes, although the Sanders campaign should apologize for it, post-haste. winter is coming Jan 2016 #16

Maybe I should spam the AARP facebook page for calling Sanders out on this still_one Jan 2016 #20

AARP didn't sound very angry to me passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #133

I am doubtful it exists. Even if it was, it was probably done fully within the bounds of law. Bubzer Jan 2016 #139

No, it exists, but check this out passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #140

Interesting. So, they don't endorse it's use, but neither do they object. Bubzer Jan 2016 #160

It wasn't a beginner mistake. Bernie's had a 40 year career in politics. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #41

National jugular politics...not so much. At worst, he doesn't have control of his quickly libdem4life Jan 2016 #65

If he wins the nomination he'll be tossed into the deep end of national politics. pnwmom Jan 2016 #79

Dearie, we have a Long Way to go...JFK said we could go to the moon and they laughed at him. libdem4life Jan 2016 #81

I would disagree with you on his deep-end swimming ability. Bubzer Jan 2016 #116

How can that be...it's a career-maker or breaker here. Pearls and Fainting Couches. LOL libdem4life Jan 2016 #126

The League of Conservation Voters say they own their logo pnwmom Jan 2016 #141

I will agree to disagree with you. Bubzer Jan 2016 #146

No pay wall here tammywammy Jan 2016 #148

Huh. Might just be my connection then. Bubzer Jan 2016 #152

Here's an excerpt: pnwmom Jan 2016 #150

I agree that if a request was sent to the Bernie camp to not use those logos, then use should stop. Bubzer Jan 2016 #159

The Bernie's campaign sent warnings to Wikipedia not to use their logo. pnwmom Jan 2016 #161

Fair use allows for usage of logos in circumstances where it's being used to identify a citation. Bubzer Jan 2016 #162

But the LCV logo was NOT Being used to identify a citation, so it wasn't fair use. pnwmom Jan 2016 #163

You must have missed my earlier post. Bubzer Jan 2016 #180

OMG, call a cop, or maybe the F.B.I. John Poet Jan 2016 #164

Bernie-so-pure is not above dirty politics, no matter what his fervent believers believe. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #166

Exactly. nt Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #174

What? But yet so inexperienced 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #179

Unauthorized access of voter data from a secured server certainly is. George II Jan 2016 #106

National security secrets have indeed been found. Bubzer Jan 2016 #145

"That has SINCE been classified." It wasn't classified at the time it was received. pnwmom Jan 2016 #165

So you're just going to ignore the second half of my post like it never happened? Bubzer Jan 2016 #183

The second half of your post is based on nothing but Rethug rumors. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #186

What part of that e-mail is a rumor? That e-mail is straight from the state department. Bubzer Jan 2016 #189

There is no indication that it is a classified document. Just that, whatever pnwmom Jan 2016 #191

There is virtually no case in which removing a header would be necessary to send a document... Bubzer Jan 2016 #194

If there was something to this, then why hasn't the Obama administration pnwmom Jan 2016 #195

Because there's no way Obama would be seen as objective. That should be more than obvious. Bubzer Jan 2016 #198

You're free to discount this as just GOP rumor of course. Bubzer Jan 2016 #192

Yeah, and people said that Vince Foster's death was pretty damning. pnwmom Jan 2016 #193

I'm not familiar with Vince Foster... but I know a false equivelence when I see one. Bubzer Jan 2016 #197

If you don't know what the Vince Foster "scandal" was, then you have no idea pnwmom Jan 2016 #201

Anyone familiar with the political arena knows what kinds of tactics get used. Bubzer Jan 2016 #208

Bernie Sanders lawyers to Wikipedia: Take down our logo Dovidoff Jan 2016 #21

Well ... that makes it difficult for them to claim "fair use" ... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #28

Overreact much? Criminal? Get a grip. But it hasn't been a good week, I'll agree on that. libdem4life Jan 2016 #66

Good point - I guess for some campaigns what's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander! George II Jan 2016 #107

Unethical at best Renew Deal Jan 2016 #76

Depends Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #83

Yes. George II Jan 2016 #105

AARP May Not "Directly" Endorse Candidates hOwever They Do Play A Sheister Game... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #118

Here we go again. Who's in charge of this s**t-show? DanTex Jan 2016 #2

What drives me crazy is this is the candidate randys1 Jan 2016 #4

The only one who can stop them is him. MoonRiver Jan 2016 #7

Good question...He cant stop his random supporters who spend all day everyday randys1 Jan 2016 #10

He needs to do something. The situation is out of control. MoonRiver Jan 2016 #15

Yet, clearly he has no intention of doing so n/t Sheepshank Jan 2016 #50

And you know this with whose crystal ball? I just saw him at a press meeting...he's libdem4life Jan 2016 #67

No...Bernie doesn't learn. He already knows it all Sheepshank Jan 2016 #115

Oh, FFS, you're probably one of them who base their vote on what people on this board say. libdem4life Jan 2016 #124

I'm responding to Sanders lack of ethics in theses campaign issues...he shows no leadership Sheepshank Jan 2016 #143

Well, at least he didn't call you guys Commies...I mean, that's got to count for something. libdem4life Jan 2016 #144

Exactly. eom MoonRiver Jan 2016 #80

I want a president of the United States of America be aware of his/HER surroundings Iliyah Jan 2016 #184

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #8

Then, what does this say about his leadership? lunamagica Jan 2016 #33

A good point, randy mcar Jan 2016 #59

"Who's in charge of this s**t-show?" you ask? HubertHeaver Jan 2016 #168

Obviously! It's her fault that Bernie is using logos without permission. DanTex Jan 2016 #169

No, keep it straight. You asked about the "s**t-show". HubertHeaver Jan 2016 #170

Oh I see. This is your way of ignoring the unethical behavior of the Bernie camp. DanTex Jan 2016 #172

Calm down, Dan. You'll blow a gasket. HubertHeaver Jan 2016 #175

Ooh! Ad hominem. Why do Bernie fans always resort to that? DanTex Jan 2016 #178

You asked about the "s**t-show". HubertHeaver Jan 2016 #181

Yeah, it's wrong. Kind of like using music for a political candidate not approved by the artist. libdem4life Jan 2016 #3

This is kind of worse than that, especially since it implies an endorsement synergie Jan 2016 #38

Well, the artists resent it (don't know who LCV is) and it does speak to millions of listeners. libdem4life Jan 2016 #40

Yes, but that's a personal thing, this is a campaign being dishonest about the synergie Jan 2016 #43

and a few million fans...but I sure wish he hadn't done that. My personal opinion, and I know libdem4life Jan 2016 #53

Yeah, the fans don't really pay that much attention to the artist in the ads, synergie Jan 2016 #63

AARP is the establishment KingFlorez Jan 2016 #5

I hope you simply forgot the sarcasm icon? synergie Jan 2016 #22

It is always someone else's fault. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #31

Nothing is ever Bernie's fault! mcar Jan 2016 #62

I was waiting for someone to try to use that tired line. nt stevenleser Jan 2016 #71

You are talking about tired lines???? HERVEPA Jan 2016 #155

You're going with the conspiracy defense? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #78

I should have added the sarcasm icon KingFlorez Jan 2016 #89

Guys, chill. KingFlorez is a Hillary supporter. Beacool Jan 2016 #99

Oh my...what to make of this. You're bashing the wrong poster? libdem4life Jan 2016 #128

Damn Iliyah Jan 2016 #6

Bernie is not having a good day. Alfresco Jan 2016 #11

I think its going to be a very BAD Weekend At Bernie's.... revmclaren Jan 2016 #158

Unauthorized use of AARP logo--AARP Statement in Response to Sanders Mailing riversedge Jan 2016 #13

Not a banner day for the Sanders campaign. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #14

Imagine the accusations had Hillary's camp made these "mistakes" synergie Jan 2016 #19

The sanders supporters here would be apoplectic. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #23

So, no change? :-) synergie Jan 2016 #29

Cue the violins...Bernie didn't dismiss it. libdem4life Jan 2016 #68

Put your glasses on, and read what I wrote, that's not what I said. synergie Jan 2016 #69

What a sweet and caring reply...put your glasses on...couldn't get past that one. libdem4life Jan 2016 #74

Sorry, even with my glasses on, he didn't dismiss it. He addressed it. libdem4life Jan 2016 #75

This place would be on fire. Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #110

So what do we have now...a gentle, rippling brook? Get real. libdem4life Jan 2016 #129

Oh please, this is a drop in the bucket. Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #132

A drop in whose bucket...inquiring minds want to know. Honest. libdem4life Jan 2016 #138

So they've done this at least twice so far, is anyone keeping track? synergie Jan 2016 #17

Wow. Getting pretty crazy. DanTex Jan 2016 #25

Not to mention impersonating Culinary Union members (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #49

Damn Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #18

Odd that you wouldn't have received one. winter is coming Jan 2016 #24

Iowans apparently. synergie Jan 2016 #36

I wonder if CoffeeCat got one. n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #37

You should ask her. synergie Jan 2016 #44

Do you live in Iowa? That seems to be who they're targeting. synergie Jan 2016 #35

It's not as though some rock band objected to ... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #26

Do you find these developments as disturbing and distressing as I do?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #54

The word I'd choose is ... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #56

I am very disappointed in what appears to be ethical lapses. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #60

What developments? Hissyspit Jan 2016 #203

The latest ones, sir or madame./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #204

The supposed ones? Hissyspit Jan 2016 #209

The ones that were cited, sir or madame./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #211

WTH? workinclasszero Jan 2016 #27

YEAHHHH>>>NO litlbilly Jan 2016 #87

Your post reads like wishful thinking to me...wow! sulphurdunn Jan 2016 #142

Use of a logo NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #30

I couldn't be more disappointed to learn of this development./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #32

I'm so disappointed to learn of your disappointment. frylock Jan 2016 #39

I too am disappointed. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #48

I am bereft with disappointment as well. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #85

Incredibly Disappointed scottie55 Jan 2016 #151

Disappointing to say the least... Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #182

Those underhanded, dishonest tactics reek of desperation lunamagica Jan 2016 #34

The AARP that doesn't want single payer b/c they make money from getting their members to buy Skwmom Jan 2016 #42

what does that have to do with the illegal use of their brand by Bernie? n/t Sheepshank Jan 2016 #51

The ethics of using somone's logo or a catch phrase may be questionable. Bubzer Jan 2016 #102

It is illegal. Whether AARP presses the issue is unlikely Sheepshank Jan 2016 #123

Context and usage matter. Bubzer Jan 2016 #134

Nailed It! KoKo Jan 2016 #52

That is another topic. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #57

So if the AARP is so evil, why did Sanders use their logo on the campaign mailer? nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #64

Right? These juvenile attacks by Sanders supporters on everyone who doesn't grovel before Bernie stevenleser Jan 2016 #73

Right? These juvenile attacks by Hillary supporters on everyone who doesn't grovel before her HERVEPA Jan 2016 #157

They don't know if they're coming or going. Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #135

So AARP goes under the Bernie bus now? ROFLMAO!!!! nt stevenleser Jan 2016 #72

Why did Sanders put them on the mailers if he thought they were so bad? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #82

AARP does not endorse candidates. Beacool Jan 2016 #101

Well now we have a stand off. Hillary is a Liar and Sanders is a Logo Grabber Cheat. libdem4life Jan 2016 #45

It appears that Saint Bernie can do no wrong in the eyes of his followers Sheepshank Jan 2016 #46

Thanks for posting this. This is important for people to know. AARP does NOT endorse. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #47

LOGOGATE!!! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #55

LOL navarth Jan 2016 #136

Awesome! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #153

Bernghazi!1!! BeanMusical Jan 2016 #147

LOL! Isn't this BERNGHAZI 7.0? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #149

+1 So true. BeanMusical Jan 2016 #154

Drip, drip, drip mcar Jan 2016 #58

This is wrong. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #61

It's got to be Weaver. I don't see SBS initiating this crap. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #70

Sanders Campaign has a serious problem with ethics. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #77

+1 MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #86

That is HILL-arious! SoapBox Jan 2016 #98

Raise the Cap" <-- NOT a sound-bite, but a specific action n/t 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #84

LOGOGATE! Bonobo Jan 2016 #88

LOL! polly7 Jan 2016 #91

It does sort of capture the national angst, does it not? nt Bonobo Jan 2016 #95

Bernies ethics are now in question! frylock Jan 2016 #93

Poor form, but I'm sure they'll get past this.. frylock Jan 2016 #90

Please read the following at this link Mbrow Jan 2016 #92

Where is there room for the addressee's name on this envelope? polly7 Jan 2016 #97

Thats the point Mbrow Jan 2016 #121

Well, then by all means, don't return it. Or are you just looking at a facsimile for your libdem4life Jan 2016 #137

Yes the link works...in multiple ways navarth Jan 2016 #207

AARP Lamonte Jan 2016 #94

Where is the evidence that Sanders or any officials working for his campaign sarge43 Jan 2016 #96

Ditto! SoapBox Jan 2016 #100

Who had the most to gain MissDeeds Jan 2016 #109

Okay. That's it. That's the fuckup by a staffer that means he has to drop out now. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #103

Well, if they access other candidates' voter data co-opting AARP's logo is small potatoes. George II Jan 2016 #104

I thought it was the Clinton campaign using other candidates' voters data? nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #125

... retrowire Jan 2016 #108

Facebook Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #111

So wait... retrowire Jan 2016 #112

I wouldn't know Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #127

Totally agree with you. retrowire Jan 2016 #130

Wow, that's different than What's Being Represented Here. Duppers Jan 2016 #117

Where is Bernie using the AARP logo? I see him speaking at a social security rally. jillan Jan 2016 #171

Sorry Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #185

The link to facebook? All I see is Bernie speaking at a aarp rally discussing social security. jillan Jan 2016 #187

Two down from original Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #190

May have been Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #113

Yeah, that's what I'm getting out of this. retrowire Jan 2016 #114

Same here. Duppers Jan 2016 #122

I can't find the unrec button.. denbot Jan 2016 #119

Another hit piece. blackspade Jan 2016 #120

Dammit! I'm changing my vote! Phlem Jan 2016 #131

They stole from the database so why should this surprise anyone? William769 Jan 2016 #156

Yeah their campaign crossed the Rubicon with that dirty trick workinclasszero Jan 2016 #212

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Odd Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #188

Where is Bernie using the AARP logo? I haven't seen it yet. jillan Jan 2016 #173

This message was self-deleted by its author postatomic Jan 2016 #177

True or not, I wished that Bernie would forget sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #196

We appreciate all the encouraging words and will be sure to vote for your candidate. thankyou gnite jeepers Jan 2016 #199

Why have I still not seen this campaign mailing? Hissyspit Jan 2016 #200

It doesn't exist. I keep asking for a link and no one can provide it. jillan Jan 2016 #202

If he used it - and I haven't seen it - the AARP should be grateful. Vinca Jan 2016 #205

The logo wasn't marked as private use only when he used it FBaggins Jan 2016 #206

I still haven't seen it. I looked all over the Internet last night. Hissyspit Jan 2016 #210

The AARP serves as insurance company shills -- so of course they back Hillary nichomachus Jan 2016 #213

. Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #214