2016 Postmortem

jeff47

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11. No, she's promising to strengthen the ACA.

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:23 PM

Jan 2016

Now, I understand the confusion because she still hasn't quite managed to release any specifics of what she would strengthen.

So how will she get those "strengthen" bills through Congress? Anything that would be a significant boost to the ACA would require funding, and thus Congress.

Also, you skipped over the much more important question: Why do you think we'd abandon an 80-year-battle when we can't win in the next 2?

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Lol: I have had it with naive Bernie Sanders idealists [View all] cali Jan 2016 OP

They're not being educated about the math to overcome the historically gerrymandered GOP congress... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #1

Congress has been investigating Benghazi for years, and repealed the ACA 60 times. jeff47 Jan 2016 #5

She wont, specific enough? She's not promising the improbable but as many measures she can take uponit7771 Jan 2016 #8

No, she's promising to strengthen the ACA. jeff47 Jan 2016 #11

Yeap, and some of that can be done unilaterally !!! Don't need congress, Sanders will soon follow uponit7771 Jan 2016 #13

No, any significant strengthening would require funding, and thus Congress. jeff47 Jan 2016 #16

All strengthening isn't money related, false dichotomy uponit7771 Jan 2016 #17

Then list some that do not cost anything. jeff47 Jan 2016 #18

Require all drug companies to list the amount they sell to other countries and open those markets uponit7771 Jan 2016 #50

So being told how much we are being screwed is strengthening the ACA? jeff47 Jan 2016 #55

Now, letting everyone else know how much medicine cost somewhere else and allowing uponit7771 Jan 2016 #58

That's reimportation. And that requires Congress, because you have to change existing laws. jeff47 Jan 2016 #62

That's if the executive wants to enforce that law, president prerogative... again, there are many uponit7771 Jan 2016 #81

Unilateral decisions, eh? So then a Preseident Sanders could accomplish LondonReign2 Jan 2016 #83

He'd follow her lead sooner or later but hasn't proffered this as a means to his ends... he wants uponit7771 Jan 2016 #84

What lead? She hasn't announced any way she would strengthen the ACA. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #88

So, your claim to start enforcing the law was that she would stop enforcing the law. jeff47 Jan 2016 #85

I don't think I claimed to START enforcing the law, my point being she could choose NOT to enforce.. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #86

So many ways that Clinton has announced exactly zero ways? jeff47 Jan 2016 #87

"Strengthening the ACA" attaches her image to Obama's. senz Jan 2016 #45

To people who hate Obama with a passion of course it doesn't, to people who don't hate him it uponit7771 Jan 2016 #82

I've been an Obama supporter from the getgo. Love the guy. senz Jan 2016 #89

its bogus based on the simplest fact. There is no one in the democratic party that the roguevalley Jan 2016 #44

Oh please. I'm quite well versed on gerrymandering. cali Jan 2016 #7

You're not versed in answering simple questions though, I asked you the other day what the avg min.. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #9

I don't recall the question, dear. cali Jan 2016 #12

Good, I asked it again in the post you just responded to.. .if you're versed in gerrymandering uponit7771 Jan 2016 #15

Uponit, well done. Nitram Jan 2016 #20

Apparently you're not versed in answering simple questions either notadmblnd Jan 2016 #34

No, that's about 1% seeing I don't have a "didn't answer a question indicator" and I don't uponit7771 Jan 2016 #36

What would I need a link for? notadmblnd Jan 2016 #42

I need the link so I can answer the question cause I have no idea what you're talking about uponit7771 Jan 2016 #59

Here are some links to Jeff's question. Qutzupalotl Jan 2016 #78

Has a commitment to reach across the aisle for incremental change been the key to republican success lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #2

If incrementalism is a recipe for more losses then why... Nitram Jan 2016 #21

For a lot of Bernie supporters I think issue is the *nature* of the gains. sibelian Jan 2016 #28

Other than the ACA, for which his election was a mandate... lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #41

Naive does not equate to stupid. But Krugman's theory is suspect. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #3

"The only things that were passed during the first Clinton Presidency were bills that benefited the. Nitram Jan 2016 #24

Your last paragraph. A Simple Game Jan 2016 #68

I am not familiar with the author of this, John Avignon. m-lekktor Jan 2016 #4

It is not elitist to be pragmatic, realistic and objective. Nitram Jan 2016 #25

those are all code words for business as usual, don't rock the boat, centrism. m-lekktor Jan 2016 #29

They are only code words to someone who has already made up their mind that they are. Nitram Jan 2016 #32

I know I want a Pragmatic President Lordquinton Jan 2016 #64

Another Yalie. Downwinder Jan 2016 #6

When pragmatism is co-opted by corporatism, Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #10

Good piece. Thanks for sharing. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #14

I'd say the author is right on the money. Nitram Jan 2016 #19

No they don't Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #22

Easy. They both want affordable health care for all. Nitram Jan 2016 #26

Clinton does not want single payer. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #27

They both want affordable health care for all Americans. Nitram Jan 2016 #30

"Sanders will start over"? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #35

"Hillary believes." senz Jan 2016 #38

Hillary will do nothing about Marijuana laws, thanks for the info Lordquinton Jan 2016 #67

That's because her aides haven't given her a talking point on AAs in prison senz Jan 2016 #39

I don't follow, senz. Is there not a problem with over-incarceration of AAs? Nitram Jan 2016 #65

That's what we're discussing: the over-incarceration of AAs. senz Jan 2016 #74

From the Clinton web site, all designed to benefit African Americans in particular: Nitram Jan 2016 #77

Did she finally drop private prison industry bundlers? senz Jan 2016 #90

He makes some good points. treestar Jan 2016 #23

If only we could be more receptive to Republican ideas then we can get something done Fumesucker Jan 2016 #31

"Sanders doesn’t have supporters as much as he has believers." Spot on. DanTex Jan 2016 #33

Sanders' views match those of FDR and all successful democratic socialist nations. senz Jan 2016 #37

"The current post-Reagan system works only for the very rich." -- #nailedit Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #43

Yes, we must tell the truth over and over again senz Jan 2016 #57

what gives me some hope I think this time, people are really avoiding the traditional media Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #73

Yes, technology made Bernie's candidacy possible. senz Jan 2016 #76

didn't he joke he was a bit to the right of Ike? MisterP Jan 2016 #53

Yes, the national consciousness now reflects Fox News themes senz Jan 2016 #71

I'll take an idealist over a collaborator any day. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #40

Not me DownriverDem Jan 2016 #47

Me too. And that's exactly what Hillary Clinton is, a collaborator. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #48

Your rhetoric is absurd, Vale. Nitram Jan 2016 #63

Your overreaction takes protesting too much to very disturbing depths. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #69

On the contrary, Vale, I'm letting you know that your misuse of words is harmful.... Nitram Jan 2016 #70

Politically Naive DownriverDem Jan 2016 #46

When I read things like this... americannightmare Jan 2016 #49

Love the overheated rhetoric and the threats. Nitram Jan 2016 #66

Yawn... americannightmare Jan 2016 #93

Wow..... Smart guy(?) HenryWallace Jan 2016 #51

I seem to remember a crazy politician who said we could go to the Moon. libdem4life Jan 2016 #52

This "go slow" philosophy of the status quo nyabingi Jan 2016 #54

What utter bilge. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #56

Screw Barney Frank. PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #60

I'm slow, so I don't get the point of this message, Hulk Jan 2016 #61

yep! Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #72

Wow! When Paul Krugman thinks you're naive and too extreme that's saying something. politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2016 #75

Ronald Reagan. Mike__M Jan 2016 #79

If Sanders supporters are such potentially violent imbeciles as the author suggests Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #80

Has anyone checked into this cat's background? Oilwellian Jan 2016 #91

Bernie Sanders: I won't get as many votes as Obama in '08 Gothmog Jan 2016 #92