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RLBaty

(335 posts)
21. Thanks for implicit endoresement of my analysis!
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:10 PM
Nov 2012

I'm not obsessed with Stenger, and there is no trap set.

Just as with those who agree with Ken Ham about the age of stuff, so many atheists agree with Vic Stenger.

If they would publicly answer my three simple questions, and discuss as necessary, it would, I believe, help those who share their fundamental beliefs from making certain blunders on the simple stuff.

I didn't ask for proof of the major premise.

You and I agree that the major premise has not been proven.

I have asked if Vic Stenger believes the major premise to be true.

You have implicitly indicated that you believe it to be true (i.e., that man was able to originate the idea and that man did originate the idea by the power of imagination and that it was not a result of reason and/or revelation).

I do NOT believe (A) implies (B), but you have made it rather clear, explicitly and/or implicitly, that you believe it to be true beyond the "proof"/"evidence" which you admit you do not have.

One the points of the exercise is to emphasize just such as you seem to want to emphasize: Atheists/Atheism implies the truth of the premises.

Atheists believe the premises to be true beyond the evidence.

I get that.
I have tried to emphasize that.

You have helped to emphasize that.

As a leader of the new atheist movement, what does Vic Stenger have to say about those three simple issues?

Oh, that's right!
Vic Stenger ran off!



TLDR rrneck Nov 2012 #1
Re: TLDR RLBaty Nov 2012 #2
Get rid of these - > rrneck Nov 2012 #3
I'll second the TL,DR. Warpy Nov 2012 #44
On the run? Really? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #4
Well, you phrased that more kindly than I was about to. OriginalGeek Nov 2012 #5
On the run! Really! RLBaty Nov 2012 #6
Re: On the run! Really! RLBaty Nov 2012 #7
Don't think it matters, but ... FiveGoodMen Nov 2012 #8
Re: I don't see where Major (A) ==>(B) RLBaty Nov 2012 #9
I'm say that IF (A) -- which I think is true -- THEN NOT NECESSARILY (B) FiveGoodMen Nov 2012 #10
Re: ...IF (A) - - -which I think is true - - -THEN NOT NECESSARILY (B) RLBaty Nov 2012 #11
I might add... RLBaty Nov 2012 #12
With the athiest one uriel1972 Nov 2012 #13
Re: With the atheist one RLBaty Nov 2012 #14
Let's look again FiveGoodMen Nov 2012 #15
Re: Let's look again RLBaty Nov 2012 #16
That seems unnecessarily tangled FiveGoodMen Nov 2012 #18
Not unnecessarily tangled at all! RLBaty Nov 2012 #19
No. FiveGoodMen Nov 2012 #20
Thanks for implicit endoresement of my analysis! RLBaty Nov 2012 #21
A little more trivia: something Vic and I have in common! RLBaty Nov 2012 #17
There may be some athiests who believe such a flawed and simplistic argument uriel1972 Nov 2012 #22
There are some who admit to it; others not so much! RLBaty Nov 2012 #23
Bull dust uriel1972 Nov 2012 #25
I got that! RLBaty Nov 2012 #26
Well and good uriel1972 Nov 2012 #27
I haven't! RLBaty Nov 2012 #28
Not once did I say or even imply that there was no god uriel1972 Nov 2012 #29
Not so! But I enjoy the game you are playing! RLBaty Nov 2012 #30
Post 23 uriel1972 Nov 2012 #31
Post 29! Back at ya! RLBaty Nov 2012 #32
???????? uriel1972 Nov 2012 #33
Uriel1972 already lost and now he's back for more? RLBaty Nov 2012 #35
Step by Step! Any Takers? RLBaty Nov 2012 #24
Alright I'll bite uriel1972 Nov 2012 #34
Nope! You failed again! RLBaty Nov 2012 #36
I'm sorry if reality is failing to adhere to your perceptions uriel1972 Nov 2012 #37
Uriel1972 - another failing demonstration, but much appreciated! RLBaty Nov 2012 #38
Well, one more gift, no extra cost, before I retire for the night! RLBaty Nov 2012 #39
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #40
Like I said before... RLBaty Nov 2012 #41
Atheism 101 - Special Class for DU Students! RLBaty Nov 2012 #42
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #43
Locking - take your ball and go back to your sandbox EvolveOrConvolve Nov 2012 #45
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