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grantcart

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51. The 'scholarship' attributed to this would be the same as a
Mon Oct 14, 2013, 12:40 PM
Oct 2013

Creationist explaining that all of the different species that were found at Galapagos were the result of something that was found in the book of Job.

The authorship and purpose of the three synoptic gospels is something that has been studied for a couple of hundred years and which there are hundreds of thousands of books on.

I had one professor that spent 14 years on the book of Matthew. He took off 2 years to live and study in Germany so that he could fluently read all of the German scholarship on the subject. This guy is to Biblical scholars as a cub scout is to Seal Team 6.

Most of the scholars are not related to the Church and the peer review process is the same as any other academic discipline, brutally honest and highly competitive.

So the idea that Christianity was somehow invented or encouraged by the Romans is just laughable. To begin with Palestine was a small little backwater in the Roman empire. The early Church was not a happy place. All of the narrative books of the Bible were written in deep crises. Genesis was written during the Babylonian Captivity, the Synoptic gospels were written trying to patch together a broken movement struggling to understand how this terrible murder and the destruction of the Jewish establishment by the Romans (and the loss of the Temple) were part of God's plan.

Beyond that there are too many intrinsically non Roman elements (beyond the structure, content, style and authorship) to allow anybody above a cartoon level of thinking to think that this is plausible.

Just how, for example, would the Romans come up with Pentecost?

It is a poorly informed non scholarly profit making enterprise trying to duplicate the financial success of The Da Vinci code with spurious books and movies.

The Romans weren't in the 'myth building' business. They were in the 'co-opting and destroying' business. This is what they did with the Sadducees and the Temple.

All of these attempts follow the same fallacy. Because they see the Jewish and early Christian writers borrow heavily from other sources, including Pagan sources they try build constructs that it came from those sources rather than the obvious, and well established point that the Jewish tribes were very good at intellectual integration and absorption which accounts for numerous outside influences going all the way back to the Noah myth to the Roman Jew Paul who showed that he could and would take any non Jewish metaphysical thought and adapt it to explain his Christian faith and experience.

I don't mind a little charlatan hucksterism with a view of putting some dollars in a person's pocket, I object that it is such a poorly done one.

A dubious claim at best. It is far more likely that the Gospel writers plagerized Josephus as they Viva_Daddy May 2012 #1
I don't think Creative Speculation itself would take this. rug May 2012 #2
Is that Why Syzygy May 2012 #14
No, but if I had to pick one, he'd beat out your guy. rug May 2012 #16
so Why Syzygy May 2012 #17
I'm glad this guy's thinking resonates with your grey matter. rug May 2012 #18
There are other good working theories ... Why Syzygy May 2012 #13
Can you give us a synopsis of what the purpose of the alleged Imperial conspiracy was? leveymg May 2012 #3
This from Price's critique (above) sums it up, but Atwill strays further afield: leveymg May 2012 #5
Thanks. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #9
Not really. Why Syzygy May 2012 #6
Atwill is an entrepreneur with an undergrad comp sci degree struggle4progress May 2012 #4
We need to Why Syzygy May 2012 #7
You can, of course, choose your reading to grind whatever axes you like, struggle4progress May 2012 #8
I'm not grinding axes Why Syzygy May 2012 #11
The first book .. Why Syzygy May 2012 #12
Fomenko seems to be a good mathematician, but based on the Wikipedia summary struggle4progress May 2012 #21
Why didn't you quote the full two paragraphs? laconicsax May 2012 #24
I guess I figured I quoted enough to make the point struggle4progress May 2012 #26
Did you actually read the Wiki entries you cited? laconicsax May 2012 #25
They don't cancel out. Why Syzygy May 2012 #38
They absolutely cancel out. laconicsax May 2012 #40
This is one of the most important books of our time. Andy81 May 2012 #20
Unimpressed by your 'call to authority' JeffP Oct 2013 #42
Hello and Welcome to DU and to the Religion Group. cbayer Oct 2013 #43
Thank you! JeffP Oct 2013 #44
You may want to look at some of the references in this thread: struggle4progress Oct 2013 #46
Great catch. Thanks for posting it. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #10
Hm. This doesn't seem completely legit on premise. daaron May 2012 #15
Caesar's Messiah Joe Atwill May 2012 #19
Is this your thesis? rug May 2012 #22
Hi Rug: Joe Atwill May 2012 #29
Hi Joe, rug May 2012 #32
rug Why Syzygy May 2012 #35
Once. rug May 2012 #36
If it will help, I'll do something Why Syzygy May 2012 #37
Thanks. rug May 2012 #39
Have you seen how much money they are making off of finding a "Mermaid"? grantcart Oct 2013 #49
Something's going on to kick a 15 month old thread. rug Oct 2013 #50
The 'scholarship' attributed to this would be the same as a grantcart Oct 2013 #51
Ok, OK, I'm convinced! rug Oct 2013 #52
So...without any judgement about your thesis... HereSince1628 May 2012 #33
Thank you for the information you've already provided. I'm looking forward to reading your book. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #27
What's your explanation for Tacitus' description of Nero's persecution of Roman Christians? muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #28
Hi Muriel: Joe Atwill May 2012 #30
Ah, so your thesis is not that Josephus et al invented Christianity muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #31
Hello! Why Syzygy May 2012 #34
Thank You Mr. Atwill JeffP Oct 2013 #41
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #45
sychophantic adoration to a third rate huckster who just happens to join DU grantcart Oct 2013 #48
Thank you Joe grantcart Oct 2013 #47
It is true that there was a dearth of first names in Palestine in the first century. dimbear May 2012 #23
Edwin Johson 3Pence Nov 2013 #53
welcome to du gopiscrap Nov 2013 #54
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