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gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
7. Few points...
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:01 PM
Apr 2013

The reason that science is the enemy of ignorance is because it enforces a methodology for evaluating evidence that does not allow ignorance to survive where it is applied.

There are minor differences in how that methodology can be described but in broad strokes it involves:

1. Identify subject of inquiry
2. Study/Observe
3. Construct an explanatory hypothesis.
4. Test. (Seriously, brutally, rigorously and repeatedly test)
5. Evaluate results for pass/fail
6. Publish (and subject your results to the review of your peers)
7. Revise hypothesis if necessary.
8. Repeat


Step 4, the test phase, is where your claim that science is not the enemy of religion runs into problems. Science holds that explanatory hypotheses MUST be testable. It does so for good reason, if a hypothesis can't be tested it isn't actually explaining anything whatsoever. It is making no contribution to your knowledge base, it has no more value than spinning a random fairy tale.

Hypotheses which cannot be subjected to testing are also referred to as "unfalsifiable" hypotheses. Science rejects them.

Statements like "God exists" are unfalsifiable hypotheses. There is no possible hypothetical manner in which they can be meaningfully tested because there can exist no test outcome that could not be explained away by "that happened because God...".

One big recent argument in scientific circles has been whether string theory was falsifiable or not. People are so seriously concerned with that debate because if the answer is "it's not" then string theory is dead. So people who favor string theory spend a lot of time trying very hard to establish falsifiability criteria for it.


That all also has bearing on the "both sides have their faith adherents" aspect of your post. Yes, there are some scientists who hold unjustifiable convictions about their hypotheses based on faith. The difference, and this is a HUGE difference, is that the entire scientific method is designed to wring those people out, whereas the entire religious framework is designed to encourage them.



Now there are apologists who try and get around this conflict by appealing to things like Gould's "non overlapping magesteria" but that's just sticking a new label on our old friend special pleading. "My hypothesis is special so it doesn't have to play by the same rules as everyone else's hypotheses... cause I said so."

Scientific fact vrs. religious faith? [View all] Thats my opinion Apr 2013 OP
A scientist can generally tell you what facts would change their mind about a theory. trotsky Apr 2013 #1
except humility in a scientific dispute is honored as proper ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2013 #2
As long as you keep identifying religion with fundamentalism Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #4
I think that's why he says "fundie religions" EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2013 #13
Scientific Theories are models of reality... Ron Obvious Apr 2013 #3
You last major paragraph is on target. Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #6
OK. Ron Obvious Apr 2013 #10
Science is NOT "simply a collection of unalterable facts." cleanhippie Apr 2013 #5
No really it is. They are all in The Big Book of Unalterable Science Facts. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #17
Few points... gcomeau Apr 2013 #7
Yours is a very helpful response. Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #9
I would just point out... gcomeau Apr 2013 #11
Now why are you complaining? skepticscott Apr 2013 #14
You made it through the first paragraph ok skepticscott Apr 2013 #8
I had forgotten about that gem. trotsky Apr 2013 #12
The debate between relativity and QM is "raging" you say? dimbear Apr 2013 #15
I'm just reporting how an outstanding subatomic scientist sees it. Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #18
Let me give you the best answer to another question your raise, one which may sound a little dimbear Apr 2013 #20
Ha Ha But scientists report that both are correct. nt. Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #24
You really, really need to read this link that skepticscott provided: trotsky Apr 2013 #25
What are the bets? skepticscott Apr 2013 #29
No chance he reads it. trotsky Apr 2013 #30
If you're going to Ha Ha, Charles skepticscott Apr 2013 #28
I suspect you misunderstood him. gcomeau Apr 2013 #23
OMG Charles skepticscott Apr 2013 #31
Faith is commitment to a position with no evidence Lordquinton Apr 2013 #32
I think "faith" is the wrong word to use goldent Apr 2013 #16
Science seems clear Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #19
Which is why fundamental scientific theories skepticscott Apr 2013 #21
" Cosmologists were certain that Ptolemy was right. And then they were certain Copernicus was right. edhopper Apr 2013 #22
Well, I know of no raging debate between QM and relativity. longship Apr 2013 #26
Sorry, Charles...there is no "raging debate" skepticscott Apr 2013 #27
It looks like your friend, the physicist, knew what he was talking about. Jim__ Apr 2013 #33
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