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rug

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Sat Dec 29, 2012, 07:46 PM Dec 2012

Think Again: The religious mind-set [View all]

Isolation in private virtual universes, in which death and mayhem have no permanent consequences, makes radical cruelty less unthinkable.

By JONATHAN ROSENBLUM
12/27/2012 14:31

I’m often struck by the commonalities in ways of thinking shared by religious believers of different faiths – or at least by Christians and Jews. (I do not know enough to comment on Eastern religions, and with respect to Islam, those common elements seem to be increasingly overwhelmed by resentment, xenophobia, and a burgeoning death cult.) The morning after the 2012 US presidential election, political analyst Michael Barone described the major division in American society primarily as one between religious belief and non-belief. On one side are those who are “traditionally religious, personally charitable, appreciative of entrepreneurs, and suspicious of government”; on the other side are those who are “secular..., less charitable, suspicious of business, and supportive of government as an instrument of liberal causes.”

He noted that the old religious wars between devout Protestants and believing Catholics are largely a thing of the past, as the two groups find themselves increasingly similar in their thinking on a wide range of social issues. He might have added Orthodox Jews as well.

ONE AREA where the divide between believers and nonbelievers stands out boldly is in response to tragedy – whether at the hands of nature or man. The religious believer tends to use tragedy as a spur to introspection about himself and his society and as a means to work on his relationship with his fellow man and with God. He lives in a world rich in metaphor and filled with hints as to how to improve his own behavior.

The nonbeliever, raised on the Enlightenment confidence in unaided human reason, is far less likely to look within. While he may pay rhetorical lip service to the need for national stocktaking in the wake of tragedy, he does not mean himself. That stocktaking is for the purpose of identifying the villains and coming up with new laws to restrain them.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=297529

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Wow. What a bunch of self-serving claptrap. djean111 Dec 2012 #1
+10 Atman Dec 2012 #3
^^^THIS^^^ cleanhippie Dec 2012 #18
Haul in your defensiveness. That is not what he is saying. Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #20
Haul in your own. It most certainly is what he is saying, and he says it openly. Squinch Dec 2012 #27
Radical cruelty is eminently thinkable to the religious mind, and always has been toby jo Dec 2012 #2
Have you seen this? rug Dec 2012 #6
Atheists just don't travel around in little groups or whatever. djean111 Dec 2012 #13
Actually, it is saying that because believers "travel around in little groups", rug Dec 2012 #17
Nobody said that Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #21
NO, the Storm is over the essay's negatives on atheism as compared to religion-- Moonwalk Dec 2012 #25
Criticism of religion is fair--so is criticism of atheism. Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #30
Atheism and Enlightenment tama Dec 2012 #36
Yep, all those positives dballance Dec 2012 #26
No, the article also pushes many right wing talking points muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #38
Perhaps my #62 reply should have appeared here. nt Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #63
Toby jo. You make a good point. Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #23
Oh my! How arrogant religious writers can be amongst themselves! Michelle Johnson Dec 2012 #4
Keep reading. rug Dec 2012 #5
Why don't you just summarize it for us ? Michelle Johnson Dec 2012 #7
Why don't you just read? rug Dec 2012 #9
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #11
Oh, 11 posts in and you're calling people trolls? rug Dec 2012 #12
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #14
Lol! rug Dec 2012 #15
You caught on to ruggie quick skepticscott Dec 2012 #24
Nice transparency page scottie. rug Dec 2012 #28
if you don't read hateful posts, you will save lots of time in good old "religion." nt Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #31
Let me be blatantly honest about this article, it's pure bullshit!! Michelle Johnson Dec 2012 #8
Lol! rug Dec 2012 #10
"Us" is the people reading your thread muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #40
If you think "us" refers to casual readers and not a peanut gallery, rug Dec 2012 #41
Get back to us about all the research and statistics and documentation muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #46
Cool, tell me who I should send it to. rug Dec 2012 #48
Try discussing something, rather than posting pointless one-liners muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #51
Yep, 44,000 one-liners, nary a discussion in there. rug Dec 2012 #53
Nobody has a minopoly on just peopleooors bad apples for that matter. Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #22
You got it! Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #29
I guess there is no way for theists to discuss the fabulousness of religion without djean111 Dec 2012 #37
It's a lot easier than discussing atheism without discussing theism. rug Dec 2012 #42
More crap from you muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #47
I take seriously much of what you had to say Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #62
Probably some merit there, the problem is your lack of consistently applying it to both sides. eomer Dec 2012 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author cbayer Dec 2012 #61
Absolute self-satisfied bigoted bullshit. mr blur Dec 2012 #16
EXACTLY !! Did you read the entire diatribe of this "Jewish scholar"? Michelle Johnson Dec 2012 #19
Excellent points. xfundy Dec 2012 #34
The Lawd saved me while all my neighbors perished, wise and mighty is the Lawd Fumesucker Dec 2012 #32
"I know I'm being a bigoted nutpicking asshole." xfundy Dec 2012 #35
Yes, the "religious" are just so much better than the rest of us. xfundy Dec 2012 #33
Not having been a fundamentalist, I'll have to take a pass on what you consider a True Christian™. rug Dec 2012 #43
rug, do you see the religious mind-set as being as right wing as that? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #39
A religious mindset, not being a political mindset, isn't caharcterized as right or left. rug Dec 2012 #44
The article is highly political (and right wing), but titled 'the religious mind-set' muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #45
Where's the politics in this? rug Dec 2012 #49
See #38 (nt) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #50
In the US at least most atheists were raised as believers.. Fumesucker Dec 2012 #54
How interesting. A statement without evidence. rug Dec 2012 #55
Every bit as much evidence as the OP you posted Fumesucker Dec 2012 #56
The OP is an opinion piece. You stated an unsupported fact. rug Dec 2012 #57
From the OP, reads like statement of fact Fumesucker Dec 2012 #58
I see your point. rug Dec 2012 #59
There are a whole lot of generalizations here with really nothing to back them up. cbayer Dec 2012 #60
One way of summarizing the commonalities would be to listen to the current BBC newscast. dimbear Dec 2012 #64
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