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rug

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Wed Jan 11, 2012, 03:09 PM Jan 2012

Yes the pope is Catholic. But he didn't say gay marriage threatens humanity [View all]

Pope Benedict XVI said a lot about environmentalism and economics in his speech, so why make up another story?

Posted by Andrew Brown
Wednesday 11 January 2012 06.32 EST

On Monday, Pope Benedict XVI gave a speech to the diplomatic corps at the Vatican at which he didn't say a single word about gay marriage. You can read the whole thing here. So why is it news? Because Reuters and, following them, many other people reported that he had denounced gay marriage as a threat to western civilisation. Philip Pullella, who is one of the very best and most experienced Vatican correspondents, led his story: "Pope Benedict said Monday that gay marriage was one of several threats to the traditional family that undermined 'the future of humanity itself'."

So far as I can see, Pope Benedict just didn't. He did speak in favour of the family "based on the marriage of a man and woman". He did say that "policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself". But there was no suggestion that gay marriage was the most important of these and he didn't mention it at all, whereas he did take up several other sexual issues.

He went out of his way to praise a recent European court ruling that outlawed patents based on human stem cells. He said that "legislative measures which not only permit but at times even promote abortion for reasons of convenience or for questionable medical motives compromise the education of young people and, as a result, the future of humanity". That may be right or wrong. But it's not an attack on gay marriage, or even on homosexuality.

Nor was it the main or the most important part of his retrospective. What he said was the most important event of last year was the global economic and financial crisis. So far as I know, he is the most significant European political figure to be saying things such as: "The crisis can and must be an incentive to reflect on human existence and on the importance of its ethical dimension, even before we consider the mechanisms governing economic life: not only in an effort to stem private losses or to shore up national economies, but to give ourselves new rules which ensure that all can lead a dignified life and develop their abilities for the benefit of the community as a whole."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2012/jan/11/pope-catholic-gay-marriage

But it makes good headlines.

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quoted: barbtries Jan 2012 #1
"Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope" rug Jan 2012 #6
yep. nt barbtries Jan 2012 #7
So let me check my math. Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #2
No, he didn't. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #41
Seems like hairsplitting. Skinner Jan 2012 #3
You can read it several ways. rug Jan 2012 #9
You seriously think he meant what you write in your 3rd paragraph? Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #11
Post that third paragraph in the LGBT group and see how far you get. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #22
Feel free to crosspost and tell me the response. rug Jan 2012 #24
I did respond directly to you, or did you miss my last word? darkstar3 Jan 2012 #25
I couldn't say that. Is that what you are saying? rug Jan 2012 #27
Is that supposed to be clever? darkstar3 Jan 2012 #28
No, I dont want you or your accusations to hide behind grammar. rug Jan 2012 #29
And just what do you think is hidden in the words clearly readable above? darkstar3 Jan 2012 #30
State them. Have the dignity of owning your words rug Jan 2012 #31
Didn't you read? I did. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #33
As I suspected. rug Jan 2012 #34
It is difficult to deal with cognitive dissonance... rexcat Mar 2012 #48
oh please deacon_sephiroth Jan 2012 #4
It makes good headlines because it's disgraceful and homophobic mr blur Jan 2012 #5
LMAO! Behind the Aegis Jan 2012 #8
I think "implied" is too kind. Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #10
Did he say it in those exact words? AlbertCat Jan 2012 #19
Seriously? Its called reading between the lines... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #12
"policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself"- Pope cleanhippie Jan 2012 #14
How is it a "mythical family unit"? Leontius Jan 2012 #15
Are you being intentionally obtuse? cleanhippie Jan 2012 #16
Except that he did say that. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #13
E.A.F. Plantaganet Jan 2012 #17
you are splitting hairs but DawnBrooks Jan 2012 #18
The Catholic Church, or any other church cannot talk about human dignity .......... MarkCharles Jan 2012 #20
What a pathetic attempt to edhopper Jan 2012 #21
Indeed. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #23
+1...nt SidDithers Jan 2012 #26
+1000 laconicsax Jan 2012 #35
Yes, He's Catholic, and YES, He said it! MarkCharles Jan 2012 #32
Brown: "Why I shouldn't have been upset about the reporting on the pope's speech" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #36
Yes, it was a secondary aspect of the speech with little new. rug Jan 2012 #37
Regarding ethics in the economy, and the Arab spring,etc., what else MarkCharles Jan 2012 #38
Here's a link for you. rug Jan 2012 #39
So, other than praying and speaking, including castigating gays in speeches... MarkCharles Jan 2012 #40
Thankfully... Plantaganet Mar 2012 #42
there was never a NEED for interpretation deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #43
Good catch. trotsky Mar 2012 #46
n/t Plantaganet Mar 2012 #49
Uh, yeah, he did. MineralMan Mar 2012 #44
What makes this man an expert on marriage and family?? Angry Dragon Mar 2012 #45
he's a living breathing appeal to authority fallacy deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #47
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