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158. Pope Francis Against Gay Marriage, Gay Adoption

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 06:27 PM

Jun 2015

Pope Francis Against Gay Marriage, Gay Adoption

Pope Francis is a conservative who is anti-gay marriage and anti-gay adoption. He has described same-sex marriage as the work of the devil and a “destructive attack on God’s plan.” He has also said that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children.

In 2010, Francis championed against a bill for same-sex marriage and gay adoption, according to the National Catholic Register.

“[T]he Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the family," he wrote to the four monasteries in Argentina. "At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of God’s law engraved in our hearts.”

He went on to describe it as a "‘move’ of the Father of Lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God" and asked for lawmakers to "not act in error." In John 8:44, the Father of Lies is the devil.

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Graddick also specifically addressed Francis' previous comments about gay adoption being a "discrimination against children."

"The real discrimination against children is the pedophilia that has run rampant in the Catholic Church with little more than collusion from the Vatican," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/pope-francis-gay-marriage-anti_n_2869221.html

You said:

He's pretty cool with everyone, actually. Not just gays.

In what fucking universe is this pope "cool" with lgbt people?

Maybe you should oh, I dunno, listen to what they're actually saying about him instead of making shit up so you can vilify atheists.

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Is Richard Dawkins destroying his reputation? [View all] cbayer Jun 2015 OP

Destroying his reputation? Not at all. Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #1

How was he being an intolerant jerk? Goblinmonger Jun 2015 #3

I believe in respecting others' beliefs and leaving them alone Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #18

Brilliant tymorial Jun 2015 #27

Oh please...do enlighten us with your list skepticscott Jun 2015 #56

Please reread my post. tymorial Jun 2015 #61

If you want to deflect by nitpicking, fine skepticscott Jun 2015 #63

There you go again, putting words into other people's mouths. Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #92

Yeah edhopper Jun 2015 #94

Nothing wrong with challenging religious beliefs Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #193

It'd be sad skepticscott Jun 2015 #98

Prego! Manco un secondo ci voleva. Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #104

Seems to be taking a lot longer than that, Tack skepticscott Jun 2015 #109

un angelo con le corna edhopper Jun 2015 #112

Davvero! Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #121

What would that overlap be? trotsky Jun 2015 #59

As I pointed out to the other respondant to my reply tymorial Jun 2015 #62

I asked you a question. trotsky Jun 2015 #64

I'd say in his case, there probably is skepticscott Jun 2015 #65

It's all about triangulation. trotsky Jun 2015 #66

Or to accuse the other skepticscott Jun 2015 #68

I see our rather outraged friend skepticscott Jun 2015 #97

Those whose only goal is to attack religion have no interest in reading comprehension Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #102

Sorry, Tack...your buddy has fled skepticscott Jun 2015 #106

It's almost like they're vermin? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #126

I dunno. What do you think? Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #134

I personally wouldn't call anyone 'vermin'... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #137

Deep and absolute sense of righteousness. tymorial Jun 2015 #163

Here or back, you've still fled from the important issues raised skepticscott Jun 2015 #165

as long as those beliefs don't cause them to do harm to others. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #72

Well, everyone's wrong some times, and this is one of yours. mr blur Jun 2015 #139

But is what he has built his career around starting to crumble? cbayer Jun 2015 #9

biology? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #14

So by that logic, you're going to start posting about the pope and his reputation, right? trotsky Jun 2015 #15

What does the pope have to do with this story? yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #51

Everything. n/t trotsky Jun 2015 #52

Or nothing yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #55

You are most certainly entitled to your opinion. trotsky Jun 2015 #57

True. Have a great day. yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #60

The pope is the center of the universe for theophobes and belligerent atheists Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #93

Yes edhopper Jun 2015 #95

He's pretty cool with everyone, actually. Not just gays. Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #108

So, so cool edhopper Jun 2015 #111

Being opposed to same sex marriage does not make one a homophobe Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #164

Early returns are running strongly against your assertion skepticscott Jun 2015 #166

It makes you a bigot. Same as if you were opposed to interracial marriage. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #167

Yeah, edhopper Jun 2015 #168

No, actually, it is not the same thing Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #186

So far 96% disagree with you. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #184

new meme try edhopper Jun 2015 #96

Right? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #113

That's not true and you know it. But nice deflection try. Goblinmonger Jun 2015 #99

Apparently a "tolerant" atheist skepticscott Jun 2015 #101

That's why so many in here like him. Goblinmonger Jun 2015 #103

My wife? And you talk to me about deflection? Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #105

How is that deflection? She posted this OP. Or did you miss that reality? Goblinmonger Jun 2015 #110

It's almost like there edhopper Jun 2015 #114

Like how anti-atheists always bring up Dawkins Lordquinton Jun 2015 #117

Well, there you go Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #120

Utterly amazing Lordquinton Jun 2015 #135

Which direct quotes? Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #138

Edhopper literally just posted his anti-gay marriage quote Lordquinton Jun 2015 #146

So, is that a quote of Ed or Francis? Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #170

So now that you have been shown several direct quotes Lordquinton Jun 2015 #169

Which direct quotes? Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #171

"a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God." beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #173

"At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance" beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #174

"and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God." beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #175

"The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution... beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #176

As much as we may disagree with him on this Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #187

Denying someone their human rights because he believes they're inferior does make him a bigot. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #189

He doesn't just believe they're "inferior" skepticscott Jun 2015 #200

Nope. Tack says religious homophobia isn't really bigotry. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #205

Don't botherr edhopper Jun 2015 #172

Tack has to pretend the pope's not a bigot. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #178

It's not like he can use the excuse skepticscott Jun 2015 #201

Oh lots of people are reading this exchange. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #204

Which direct quotes? Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #185

Your joking, right? Lordquinton Jun 2015 #190

The jury has spoken....... davidpdx Jun 2015 #197

"Being opposed to gay marriage does not make someone a homophobe or bigot" Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #140

Seriously Rob H. Jun 2015 #147

Depends on the textbook edhopper Jun 2015 #149

You want bigoted homophobic quotes? The pope's or yours? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #151

Daym Lordquinton Jun 2015 #153

Oh, I'm just getting started. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #156

Now I understand why Tack thinks skepticscott Jun 2015 #154

Apparently he's ignored all of the previous posts about pope homophobe. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #157

Wow! Well done BMUS, thanks for the clarity! haikugal Jun 2015 #177

Thanks, haikugal! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #179

Good job! Take no prisoners! haikugal Jun 2015 #181

Those links are good to have handy whenever people are singing the pope's praises. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #182

"Pope Francis: Kids Must Have Moms and Dads" beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #155

Pope Francis Against Gay Marriage, Gay Adoption beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #158

Why would I vilify atheists? Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #188

See your last post where you lashed out at atheists for calling out your homophobic comments: beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #191

Quite an imagination you have there BMUS Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #192

Did you vote in the GD poll? And defend religious homophobia in the thread? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #194

I do not defend homophobia or bigotry of any kind. Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #195

As you can see I'm not the only one who thinks homophobic behaviour makes one a homophobe: beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #196

No. Only 5 were wrong. Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #202

According to the definition at religoustolerance.org both you and the pope are homophobic. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #203

You are correct about one thing Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #206

I am not your "fan" and I don't find your defense of religious bigotry the least bit amusing. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #207

Au contraire dear BMUS Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #208

Now you're saying that people who are opposed to interracial marriage aren't bigots. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #198

Pope Francis’ new clothes: Why his progressive image is white smoke and mirrors beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #159

Pope's Shocking Hitler Youth Comparison beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #160

'If You Oppose Equal Marriage, You Are a Bigot' beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #199

But is what he has built his career around starting to crumble? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #74

That's so cute! You think he built his career around genetic biology. cbayer Jun 2015 #77

He hasn't done any evolutionary biology in over 35 years. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #81

Plus you know, like lecturing at Oxford, some sort of backwater has been unknown school. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #82

He's still an intolerant jerk. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #71

"Crusading" even Goblinmonger Jun 2015 #2

Ruh roh AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #5

Is he going to take over St John's title of Moorslayer? Goblinmonger Jun 2015 #7

Why is his choice of protein of any interest? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #4

Chicken eatin' asshole. Goblinmonger Jun 2015 #6

His views on vegetarianism and his own choices of diet have cbayer Jun 2015 #8

I tagged it for later review and stopped reading there. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #10

Hope it is good busy and not bad busy. cbayer Jun 2015 #13

"admiration for Darwin in the way a schoolboy might worship a sporting giant." Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #11

But...but...he's a big poopy head Goblinmonger Jun 2015 #12

I saw that too edhopper Jun 2015 #16

Stupid scientists anyway pokerfan Jun 2015 #17

A hodgepodge article lacking in both style and substance Yorktown Jun 2015 #19

K&R! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #20

It's long but a really good overview of his life up to this point. cbayer Jun 2015 #21

So you understand that this is basically a reverse argument from authority right? Promethean Jun 2015 #22

Irrelevant. It's a chance to post something negative about DAWKINS!!!111!!!! cleanhippie Jun 2015 #23

There are some poor posters here skepticscott Jun 2015 #24

Doesn't matter pokerfan Jun 2015 #25

Reputation among whom? edhopper Jun 2015 #26

Or those that approach him with a certain level of critical thinking. cbayer Jun 2015 #28

you think I was being edhopper Jun 2015 #29

So I looked up bianary, because I didn't know what it meant. cbayer Jun 2015 #30

spellink alwaz bad on tablet edhopper Jun 2015 #32

How could you say the article was just petty crap? cbayer Jun 2015 #33

I am not the only one we with this opinion edhopper Jun 2015 #38

Yep. I wonder what they all have in common. cbayer Jun 2015 #42

Good critical reading? edhopper Jun 2015 #44

That's one possibility, but odds are against it. cbayer Jun 2015 #48

Clearly. I mean, everyone else who doesn't see things your way must be stupid, right? n/t trotsky Jun 2015 #53

Stupid, or big, bad meanies Yorktown Jun 2015 #85

Vermin! haikugal Jun 2015 #180

That comment was hurtful Yorktown Jun 2015 #183

But i think he needs to rethink his path. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #76

I agree. That's is a remarkable path and he deserves nothing cbayer Jun 2015 #79

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #87

His path toward the invisible and immaterial, I suppose? Yorktown Jun 2015 #86

I'd love to point out where this article is wrong tkmorris Jun 2015 #31

spot on nt snagglepuss Jun 2015 #34

Spot on what? cbayer Jun 2015 #36

She isn't criticizing him at all. She is merely submitting an analysis of who cbayer Jun 2015 #35

A) I did read it. Every word tkmorris Jun 2015 #37

You so misjudge me and I am sure you have your reasons, but this is really about you, not me. cbayer Jun 2015 #41

How can so many people "misjudge" you, cbayer? trotsky Jun 2015 #54

You're telling others to not be judgmental? Lordquinton Jun 2015 #91

And to think I was so worried about who would step up to post malarkey articles about Atheists Heddi Jun 2015 #39

That's a long time to spend on the island of misfit toys Major Nikon Jun 2015 #83

It's like 1.5 lents Heddi Jun 2015 #84

... trotsky Jun 2015 #100

His last peer-reviewed scientific paper was published over three decades ago struggle4progress Jun 2015 #40

I still think he has performed an important role and, in the end, will be honored for that. cbayer Jun 2015 #43

What door is that? struggle4progress Jun 2015 #45

Instead he frittered away his time skepticscott Jun 2015 #47

I think he performed an important role for the normalization of atheism cbayer Jun 2015 #49

That comment is unsubstantiated Yorktown Jun 2015 #50

The atheisms of Marx, Nietzsche, and Freud were influential long before Dawkins appeared; struggle4progress Jun 2015 #58

I don't disagree that they were all influential, but Dawkins made atheism cbayer Jun 2015 #67

Atheism has never been skepticscott Jun 2015 #69

I agree. We should leave the antagonistic hate crusades to religion.. truebrit71 Jun 2015 #119

What door? What role? Yorktown Jun 2015 #46

Destroying his reputation..... with whom? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #70

Do you include Dennet and KraUss in that group? cbayer Jun 2015 #73

Why did you feel the need to insult AlbertCat with that label? trotsky Jun 2015 #75

I did read this junk. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #78

You didn't read it. It is a very positive, almost adoring account of his life cbayer Jun 2015 #80

It helps to read the material before spouting the dogma... Yorktown Jun 2015 #89

Ah yes, but you see, that is totally different... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #115

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #88

Holy moly, I think you've nailed something there. trotsky Jun 2015 #90

That got hidden Lordquinton Jun 2015 #107

Extremely soft call by the jury... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #116

Jury members often read the post edhopper Jun 2015 #118

Or maybe the jury saw it for what it was. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #123

Obviously not... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #125

They disagree. Obviously! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #128

Some can't stand being called on their behaviour Lordquinton Jun 2015 #133

How dare you cbayer! Have you no shame! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #122

So now atheism is a cult? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #124

Did i say that? no. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #127

Stop putting words in your mouth? These words Justin? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #129

"So now atheism is a cult?" hrmjustin Jun 2015 #130

"The cult of Dawkins" truebrit71 Jun 2015 #131

So is dawkins the leader of Athiests? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #132

Nice try. But you fail. Again. truebrit71 Jun 2015 #136

Well, yeah you did Curmudgeoness Jun 2015 #141

The cult of personality. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #142

No, your attempt to run away from what you said is dishonest... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #143

You take care of yourself. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #144

I always do. truebrit71 Jun 2015 #145

What's really hilarious is that this is a very positive article about Dawkins. cbayer Jun 2015 #148

. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #150

Is that anything like the Christian Cult of Human Sacrifice? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #152

Jesus had some pretty harsh things to say about hypocrisy Mariana Jun 2015 #161

Oh yes he did, lots of things: beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #162