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Binkie The Clown

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53. We have two explanations about the origin of god: 1) chance 2) design

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 02:42 PM

Apr 2015

Your logic. Yet you refuse to follow your logic to the inevitable conclusion. Hence, you are refusing to be logical. I can't argue with irrationality.

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The Future of Religion Is Ascendant [View all] cbayer Apr 2015 OP

... trotsky Apr 2015 #1

"The search for meaning is eternal" Bullshit. Only if people presuppose a desginer to impart AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #2

We have incredibly complex forms of life on earth - jonno99 Apr 2015 #7

The biggest problem with the faulty "argument from design" you are attempting to make... trotsky Apr 2015 #8

Perhaps I wasn't clear - my apologies. jonno99 Apr 2015 #14

But *how* do we know the cell phone is designed? trotsky Apr 2015 #16

Because I am familiar with the process of manufacturing. jonno99 Apr 2015 #20

Ah, so the phone is complex compared to the environment you found it in? n/t trotsky Apr 2015 #23

No, the phone IS complex - and has a known designer. jonno99 Apr 2015 #26

Which is more complex - the phone or a blade of grass? n/t trotsky Apr 2015 #27

It depends doesn't it? jonno99 Apr 2015 #29

It certainly does depend. trotsky Apr 2015 #44

My question is: if the phone required a designer - why not the grass? jonno99 Apr 2015 #46

You still haven't answered why you think the phone AND the grass need a designer. trotsky Apr 2015 #49

Sorry, if I've mucked up my argument jonno99 Apr 2015 #54

And logically, if complex life needs a designer... trotsky Apr 2015 #55

I disagree. It is not simply my assertion that complexity begs a designer - jonno99 Apr 2015 #62

Ah but your reasoning is not consistent. trotsky Apr 2015 #64

I have no special knowledge; the phone designer and the blade of grass *may* have jonno99 Apr 2015 #65

On what do you base that belief? trotsky Apr 2015 #66

It's all about origins - I don't accept "chance" as a ratianale explanation. jonno99 Apr 2015 #69

Well that seems to be a completely arbitrary and personal declaration, now doesn't it? trotsky Apr 2015 #71

So, I logged onto DU this afternoon... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #22

Shhh, I'm not done playing with my new toy yet. n/t trotsky Apr 2015 #24

We aren't nil desperandum Apr 2015 #18

I aggree. jonno99 Apr 2015 #25

Why are you asking me to design something, to disprove creationism? AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #15

Does my reply to trotsky answer your question? jonno99 Apr 2015 #17

No, it just doubles down on the logical disconnect. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #21

Of course. But you're asking me to accept jonno99 Apr 2015 #42

No, because I have a reasonable life span of about a million hours or so. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #43

Watchmaker argument phil89 Apr 2015 #28

Don't forget a stupendously complex... Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #30

Is there a designer? The answer is yes or no. jonno99 Apr 2015 #32

But who designed the designer? Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #33

A better question: jonno99 Apr 2015 #35

So you're ok with not phil89 Apr 2015 #34

Thing is, I DO understand a lot about the origins of life. Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #38

If we're discussing the origins of life, I would make the argument that jonno99 Apr 2015 #41

Straw man Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #45

You made the claim jonno99 Apr 2015 #48

Whatever. Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #50

Why are you continuing to ask for evidence of creationism to disprove creationism? AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #68

I gave no indication that I'm *ok* with not understanding, jonno99 Apr 2015 #39

if the complexity of life points to a designer Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #47

I take it very seriously - my life may depend on it. jonno99 Apr 2015 #52

We have two explanations about the origin of god: 1) chance 2) design Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #53

The alternative to my "irrationality" is to accept that jonno99 Apr 2015 #56

Is a complex god possible by chance? Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #61

Pls see my #62 n/t jonno99 Apr 2015 #63

In other words: You still refuse to answer my question. Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #67

Sorry, I thought your question was rhetorical. jonno99 Apr 2015 #70

Then, the answer to your question: Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #74

Are you aware of 'emergent behaviors?' immoderate Apr 2015 #51

Who or what then designed the designer? Fumesucker Apr 2015 #37

Pls see my #32 & #35 jonno99 Apr 2015 #40

a creationist? Lordquinton Apr 2015 #72

you are messing up two arguments. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #85

It is certainly not my intent jonno99 Apr 2015 #89

Seriously. Did you not read a single fucking thing Warren wrote? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #90

You're right, I should have addressed this sentence: jonno99 Apr 2015 #91

Now we're onto straw men. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #92

Your first full para is all true. Your last? Not so helpful... jonno99 Apr 2015 #93

Let me ask you a question: Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #94

No, because you have failed to fully describe the robin before comparing. rug May 2015 #95

People who make their own meaning aren't searching for meaning? I don't get it. n/t LTX Apr 2015 #31

No, I'm not. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #36

Meaning what? rug Apr 2015 #57

Whatever you want. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #58

That was a joke. rug Apr 2015 #59

I know. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #60

I do hope nil desperandum Apr 2015 #3

What part of the article do you hope is wrong? cbayer Apr 2015 #4

Support nil desperandum Apr 2015 #5

What do you imagine those sub-groups who are fighting for causes you support cbayer Apr 2015 #9

Will they give up and stop fighting because they read a comment critical about religion... trotsky Apr 2015 #11

That's great as our climate changes, as our planet loses the ability to support us Leontius Apr 2015 #76

You've got this all wrong. Climate change is entirely due to religion. cbayer Apr 2015 #78

Has anyone made a single claim suggesting that, cbayer? trotsky Apr 2015 #80

Opposition to birth control certainly is not helpful. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #86

Maybe nil desperandum Apr 2015 #79

Or maybe he was making the point that you can't blame everything on religion cbayer Apr 2015 #81

And if anyone did that, it would be one hell of a legitimate point. trotsky Apr 2015 #82

No, but she's not the first poster here to claim skepticscott Apr 2015 #84

Bullies will be bullies. trotsky Apr 2015 #87

LMFAO!!!! "much" of the opposition???? trotsky Apr 2015 #6

It comes down to birth rates; compare this and the accompanying Dennett article muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #10

Agree that the predicted changes appear to be almost entirely due to birth rates. cbayer Apr 2015 #12

It also behooves us to try and remove some of its power and influence... trotsky Apr 2015 #13

The search to fit reality to presumptions is indeed eternal... MellowDem Apr 2015 #19

The search for meaning is eternal, says Emilie M. Townes, dean of the Vanderbilt Divinity School aka-chmeee Apr 2015 #73

I see no similarity whatsoever. cbayer Apr 2015 #75

Both are versions of skepticscott Apr 2015 #88

Is it too early for a 'because we're going to launch it into the sun' joke yet? just checking. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #77

I would say this claim would only hold true if the economic conditions in most countries... Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #83