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34. The Defense Appropriation bills do a much better job every years.

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Religion Was Not the Reason For the Paris Attacks [View all] cbayer Jan 2015 OP

Interesting article. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #1

The strongest and most consistent thing correlated with religious belief cbayer Jan 2015 #4

Agreed! hrmjustin Jan 2015 #5

The crux of this person's argument is this line in italics: Skinner Jan 2015 #2

Religion does much more than provide the excuse for terrible behavior. cbayer Jan 2015 #3

Yes, religion does much more than provide the excuse for terrible behavior. Skinner Jan 2015 #6

Is it more responsible than the social and political conditions in which cbayer Jan 2015 #8

I am not dismissing it. Skinner Jan 2015 #10

I think the headline is misleading, as the author would agree with you, cbayer Jan 2015 #11

Except the author wouldn't agree with this: Skinner Jan 2015 #21

I wouldn't agree with that either. Is that your position? cbayer Jan 2015 #22

We're not talking about a woman with postpartum psychcosis. Skinner Jan 2015 #26

I'm not so sure that you can really make a distinction between a woman cbayer Jan 2015 #30

Um, religion did play a role in boston. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #39

Religion supplies the concept of devil and possession. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #28

Nationalism supplies the concept of organized violence in the service of a "greater good". rug Jan 2015 #33

Nationalism can, sure. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #36

I blame it on the Belgians. rug Jan 2015 #37

Visigoths. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #68

Wow, really? Your argument here is that this endless onslaught Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #48

Interesting read here. bvf Jan 2015 #70

Yeah I've seen that data before. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #115

That statement applies equally to hundreds of service members who spent time in Iraq and Afghanistan rug Jan 2015 #23

If you look at the people who flipped out because a flag was burned you'll likely see similarities. rug Jan 2015 #17

Religion offered them the "excuse"... PassingFair Jan 2015 #32

The Defense Appropriation bills do a much better job every years. rug Jan 2015 #34

Religion also offers the "excuse" cbayer Jan 2015 #35

Wow. PassingFair Jan 2015 #40

It's actually much more cultural than religious, but that doesn't matter. cbayer Jan 2015 #41

Then perhaps you can explain how this "cultural" phenomena has spread to Leontius Jan 2015 #50

There is a portion of the population for which this has cbayer Jan 2015 #52

Emigration. okasha Jan 2015 #63

nobody is denying the good, somebody here is desperately attemptimg to deny the bad. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #49

maybe Locrian Jan 2015 #29

I agree. nt m-lekktor Jan 2015 #54

It also provides inspiration for wonderful works Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #74

that's a load of crap. this was about religion samsingh Jan 2015 #76

I APPROVE OF THIS MESSAGE Skittles Jan 2015 #77

I find myself in agreement with that line... mike_c Jan 2015 #108

Well said. cbayer Jan 2015 #109

yes well, that said... mike_c Jan 2015 #112

Ah, I forgot you were the delusion guy. cbayer Jan 2015 #113

Terrible headline edhopper Jan 2015 #7

But, if you read it, these guys weren't really religious at all. cbayer Jan 2015 #9

They became radicalized edhopper Jan 2015 #12

Did they become radicalized? Where are you getting that information? cbayer Jan 2015 #13

I have read in numerous reports about Yemen. edhopper Jan 2015 #16

"May", "no evidence", "details not clear". cbayer Jan 2015 #18

Going to Yemen edhopper Jan 2015 #19

Training? Where do you get the information about training? cbayer Jan 2015 #20

From the NY Times edhopper Jan 2015 #24

I was not aware of that and appreciate the information. cbayer Jan 2015 #25

I agree edhopper Jan 2015 #27

In the end, the free speech is not at issue. cbayer Jan 2015 #31

I think edhopper Jan 2015 #38

what a ridiculous argument Cartoonist Jan 2015 #14

I ask that you answer honestly. Did you read the article or are you cbayer Jan 2015 #15

It's the same dumb argument that gets trotted out Cartoonist Jan 2015 #42

That is not at all what he says. cbayer Jan 2015 #43

Seems pretty clear to me what he is saying Cartoonist Jan 2015 #44

Well, that is not what he is saying but that is the version that fits your cbayer Jan 2015 #45

The quotes weren't in the headline. Cartoonist Jan 2015 #46

It's important to look at quotes in context. cbayer Jan 2015 #47

it's a sad attempt to let religion off the hook m-lekktor Jan 2015 #55

I'm going to guess that you also didn't read the article, cbayer Jan 2015 #56

Consider that by making this tragedy ALL ABOUT ISLAM, Maedhros Jan 2015 #133

Easy to spot motivated thinking and confirmation bias when it's not your own. Igel Jan 2015 #51

Ok, I've read this several times and I am having a lot of trouble cbayer Jan 2015 #59

The road that led from tough Paris estate to radical Yemen training muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #53

Thank you for doing the leg work edhopper Jan 2015 #57

Thanks for that information. cbayer Jan 2015 #58

Of course it wasn't. But, boy, some people are not going to like that POV. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #60

It has led to some very interesting conversations. cbayer Jan 2015 #61

I agree, and yours is a rare but wonderful point of view: those men were used. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #62

They made a choice. To call these murderers victims too is ridiculous. Leontius Jan 2015 #66

Yes, that is the story line being perpetrated by the media and by the men who sent them. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #67

That's just crap. They made a choice to kill it was their choice reinforced by their religious zeal. Leontius Jan 2015 #71

But I can not embrace them. cbayer Jan 2015 #94

You know that whole experience I had with incarcerated youth. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #97

I have also had many experiences when I felt a great deal of cbayer Jan 2015 #98

More, not just a Buddhist point of view, Jesus would have embraced them, too, these killers. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #64

Nonsense. phil89 Jan 2015 #106

You're right, because some people prefer facts. trotsky Jan 2015 #82

Religion is the main cover story used to promote an a-theistic political terroristic agenda. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #84

An "a-theistic political terroristic agenda"? trotsky Jan 2015 #85

Correct. Religion is simply the excuse used to cover this and to distract. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #88

No, you're wrong. The Paris terrorists were not following an "atheistic" agenda. trotsky Jan 2015 #93

I believe they thought they were acting on a religious mission, but were sent by agents... NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #96

Religion Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #107

Indeed they are not. And extremists don't speak for the religion that they exploit. (nt) NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #119

Nonsensical gobbldegook. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #121

Unless you can point out PRECISELY who they were 'played' by AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #117

Agents of Al Qaeda have taken credit for the attacks. Neither you nor I really know. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #123

I fully understand. The term 'true islam' is a logical fallacy, and the rest of your post is garbage AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #124

By the way. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #138

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #120

Did I strike a nerve? Make a point? Provoke you? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #125

I am confused what you two are arguing about, is someone saying to you in essence randys1 Jan 2015 #128

I'm not sure why I got the response that I got from that member. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #129

I completely disagree with you but you have always been polite and nice to me so it wouldnt enter randys1 Jan 2015 #130

We are together on those points. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #131

I am a fan of a Canadian sitcom "Little Mosque on the Prairie" randys1 Jan 2015 #135

There's a great reply in another thread... NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #136

So the leaders edhopper Jan 2015 #89

I don't know with certainty what they think. They are morally corrupt. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #90

"a-thiests" Goblinmonger Jan 2015 #99

It's a kindness I extend to those who profess to be atheists on this board. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #100

You should not be using "a-theisim" to refer to... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #102

Great point and very well put. n/t trotsky Jan 2015 #104

The problem with your line of thinking Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #111

that is some tortured "logic" there skippy. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #110

the target of their angry, vicious attack was related to religion LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #65

Religion was the cover story, but the reality is that they were sick. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #72

The deflection of responsibility in your post is nothing short of appalling. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #75

SKP has made this massacre all about SKP. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #114

You tend to see things in the most convenient way possible tkmorris Jan 2015 #69

No. I think those who cast blame and hold fast to it are simplifying. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #73

We're all simplifying, the map is not the terrain Fumesucker Jan 2015 #79

I remember Az, he posted a lot in what was then called Religion/Theology. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #83

Oversimplification indeed. trotsky Jan 2015 #86

Religion is decidedly not the reason for terrorism, just as sex is not the reason for rape. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #87

"Religions teach love." trotsky Jan 2015 #91

Of course in your world the analogy fails. Because it doesn't. It kills your argument. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #92

If it is true Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #116

"Fundamentalist" = "Selective adherence" NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #118

Wrong again. *Every* believer practices selective adherence. trotsky Jan 2015 #122

The "good" believers Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #126

Fair enough. It's the downfall of belief systems. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #127

Religious teachings are a light to illuminate your path in life Leontius Jan 2015 #132

The individual chooses what part of their holy book that they will use. Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #134

Because most humans are greedy self absorbed bastards who want their needs met whatever Leontius Jan 2015 #137

... Jamaal510 Jan 2015 #139

It's an article so I am going to assume you are addressing this to the author and not me. cbayer Jan 2015 #95

It was obviously religiously motivated. ZombieHorde Jan 2015 #78

I don't think it's about calling them liars, but about cbayer Jan 2015 #101

I agree. I think those that seek to divide use religion, race, sexuality and whatever they can Live and Learn Jan 2015 #80

Interesting perspective. cbayer Jan 2015 #103

Has anyone actually said "because Islam"? trotsky Jan 2015 #105

I'll give you one thing, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2015 #81