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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
145. You are right about not being able to win around here.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 11:21 PM
Dec 2014

I can say the most innocuous thing and it will become a meme that lasts for years and years. I could give you a list of about a dozen right now, but you already know them.

So, I just say what I want now.

There is no doubt that there are some who post here who are very vocal about their wish for religion to disappear. Hey! Together we can find a cure. But I digress.

Let's be clear about the nones. The nones are unaffiliated. Be very careful about saying that they are not religious. The data shows differently.

The face of religion is changing because there is an evolution going on. Hell, even atheists are having church services these days.

It doesn't bother me in the least that the demographics are changing.. I know religion is here to stay and I am devoted to working with both believers and non-believers on shared goals. Those that want to demonize others on the same team are the ones I am going to push back against.

I know who the enemy is in terms of religion. It's the religious right, the fundamentalists and those that dream of a theocracy.

But it's also the intolerant and prejudiced and those that want to restrict the right of others because of what they do or don't believe.

And those people are both believers and non-believers. There is no room for haters as we go into the next election cycle. You can play with them or not. Up to you.

But let's be clear. The membership of this site and of the democrat party includes religious believers of all stripes. Those that want to relentlessly attack them hurt us all. You can play with them or not. Up to you.

Worried that the local parish by my Episcopal church will be shut done. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #1
People in places like NY don't seem edhopper Dec 2014 #2
Depends on the church. Some are growing but others are dying. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #4
True shenmue Dec 2014 #6
The folks not going don't seem to think it's sad. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #7
We can't speak for others. they can speak for themselves. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #8
They did speak for themselves by not attending church. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #9
here is what you wrote. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #13
Sweet Jesus, man. No one is speaking for them. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #20
Well it seem that way to me. if i am wrong sorry. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #29
You are. Apology accepted. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #51
ok. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #54
Great. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #60
This is closer edhopper Dec 2014 #10
+1. I see what you did there. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #11
I live edhopper Dec 2014 #12
What exactly do you think they're doing instead? rug Dec 2014 #17
Something more personally productive than going to church. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #21
Such as? rug Dec 2014 #22
Can't say, but the list seems endless. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #25
I see. You have no idea. rug Dec 2014 #26
I have plenty of ideas, and I offered you one. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #50
You offered an (expected) opinion. rug Dec 2014 #84
If you say so. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #91
I did say so. rug Dec 2014 #93
Yes, you did. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #103
Well, considering the heft of your opinion upthread, I'd say, easily more than yours. rug Dec 2014 #105
I expect you would. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #110
Sleeping in edhopper Dec 2014 #28
I'll give you coffee. rug Dec 2014 #30
Probably on par edhopper Dec 2014 #32
I generally find a lot more wisdom in any given church service than I do in internet "debates". rug Dec 2014 #36
You may at that edhopper Dec 2014 #39
Well the ignore button helps. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #42
Personally, I don't like to avert my eyes from anything. rug Dec 2014 #44
Well since i started using it the other day I find I have less issues. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #47
You may have to pluck it out, then. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #49
Whch of course is a reference to sin, not internet idiocy. rug Dec 2014 #127
I am beginning to think it is pointless as well. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #34
The point of many people is to make what could be a productive discussion, unproductive. rug Dec 2014 #38
You mean edhopper Dec 2014 #41
Yes. People performing internet pratfalls aside, there is much to discuss there. rug Dec 2014 #43
Why should a discussion of how the mechanics of a mythological event edhopper Dec 2014 #46
It wouldn't. That's because it's not about mechanics. rug Dec 2014 #80
How the parting of the Red Sea might have happened edhopper Dec 2014 #109
The who and the why are far more interesting. rug Dec 2014 #112
The who and why edhopper Dec 2014 #115
I went to link to your top-level material contribution to the moses thread, but I couldn't find it. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #86
I don't stand in line for popcorn. rug Dec 2014 #92
I can't, it's buried under 5 x 20 to the 60th power of dead bacteria. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #98
Or perhaps the transfer of one's own desires or emotions to another person. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #67
I'll defer to your expertise on the subject. rug Dec 2014 #82
If observing your posts over the years make me a subject matter expert cleanhippie Dec 2014 #88
Do Tell. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #78
I did tell. rug Dec 2014 #83
You mean, 'you did disrupt'. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #89
Welcome to the club. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #65
Well it is what it is. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #77
Hopefully introspection. Education. Philosophy. Debate. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #76
Do you have evidence for this? stone space Dec 2014 #27
Do you find the people edhopper Dec 2014 #48
Sometimes. Sometimes not. stone space Dec 2014 #52
So cleanhippie edhopper Dec 2014 #53
Do you find folks uniformly happy when their own church shuts down? stone space Dec 2014 #55
I don't know edhopper Dec 2014 #68
I find people uniformly interested in going to church, do so even if it's a table at the restaraunt AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #123
IMO and I base this on experience and from info from priest friends I know, most of these hrmjustin Dec 2014 #59
So you see edhopper Dec 2014 #66
Yes. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #79
Evidence for what? It's an opinion, not a proof. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #56
So you have no evidence for your opinion. stone space Dec 2014 #57
Lol cleanhippie Dec 2014 #69
What do you base your opinion on? hrmjustin Dec 2014 #58
Seriously? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #61
i gave the basis of my opinion here. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #63
It seems a reasonable assumption that if they have not been attending for some time... cleanhippie Dec 2014 #64
If a library is shut down, would you assume that nobody... stone space Dec 2014 #73
I think it reasonable to assume that those that didn't use the library cleanhippie Dec 2014 #75
I don't use the public library here. stone space Dec 2014 #90
I'm not surprised. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #97
Most folks here don't have access to the university library. stone space Dec 2014 #100
One of your underlying assumptions seems to be that you cleanhippie Dec 2014 #107
The reality is most who left neither died or are too infirmed. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #74
Interesting indeed. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #81
The doctrines of the church might seem too restrictive to younger people. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #85
Why do you think "atheism is on the rise?" cleanhippie Dec 2014 #95
People's values are different now than the values centuries ago. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #114
I would agree regarding changing values. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #118
Which is not a bad thing. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #119
No, it's not a bad thing at all. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #120
Well we shall see. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #121
We already are seeing it. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #122
Until Global Climate Change edhopper Dec 2014 #124
ok. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #125
Sure cleanhippie Dec 2014 #126
I think it depends on the Church - in some cases non-members are sad. goldent Dec 2014 #152
That's true Dorian Gray Dec 2014 #71
Nelson says... AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #3
Lot of Cafeteria Catholics in NY edhopper Dec 2014 #5
I kind of agree Sanity Claws Dec 2014 #35
This is how, I think, most atheists see religion going away. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #14
...Not with a bang, but a whimper. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #15
That sounds like wishful, if not magical, thinking. rug Dec 2014 #18
Seems to be happening. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #23
Your samples are very narrow. rug Dec 2014 #24
What does that tell you? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #37
That it's not going away. rug Dec 2014 #40
So no numbers? Awesome. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #45
Try Google. it's awesome. rug Dec 2014 #87
Not my claim; not my point to prove. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #94
This is your claim; your point to prove: rug Dec 2014 #101
No problem Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #116
"statistics on religion in America" rug Dec 2014 #129
Is that an increase or a decrease? Because you claimed there was an increase. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #131
It's populations that count. rug Dec 2014 #137
You have a problem with the humanist group? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #143
I have a problem with people who misstate what I say. rug Dec 2014 #148
So the answer is simple Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #153
Yes it is is asimple answer. One which keeps eluding you. rug Dec 2014 #155
Are you trying to say that those Africans that are now Christian Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #157
What a pathetic dodge. rug Dec 2014 #158
How is that a dodge? And how is it white privilege (from me, anyway)? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #159
The "brightest minds," eh? immoderate Dec 2014 #99
Simple statistics will tell you that. rug Dec 2014 #102
Can I roll around until you present the evidence? immoderate Dec 2014 #111
I'm sure you'd do that anyway. rug Dec 2014 #113
Give me your number for religious adherents. I'll calculate the 1% for you. immoderate Dec 2014 #117
Ask GM. rug Dec 2014 #128
I gave you the info that supports my claim as to what is happening here Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #130
Did you see 129? rug Dec 2014 #132
Percentage is what is important Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #133
Your post is about American trends. rug Dec 2014 #136
My original claim was about the US Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #142
We are going to force the believers to bow down to our AHTISETS ~gods! Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #19
No, it's simply a pompous posture based on a refexive urge. rug Dec 2014 #96
What's the old saying Lordquinton Dec 2014 #149
I disagree. I think "most atheists" don't really see religion going away. cbayer Dec 2014 #134
So he doesn't know what most atheist think edhopper Dec 2014 #135
Nope, I have no more right to speak for them than he does. cbayer Dec 2014 #138
"But I know the data": please do share it with us. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #139
You see edhopper Dec 2014 #140
I was making a point. Would everything be all right with you if I edited to cbayer Dec 2014 #141
Yes that would be good edhopper Dec 2014 #146
Okey dokey. cbayer Dec 2014 #147
So a couple things about my post. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #144
You are right about not being able to win around here. cbayer Dec 2014 #145
The what party? Lordquinton Dec 2014 #150
Let me make this real simple. cbayer Dec 2014 #154
It is so damn disturbing that you can take the language you just used here... trotsky Dec 2014 #156
I don't have the data edhopper Dec 2014 #16
You may find the reign of Julian the Apostate of interest. rug Dec 2014 #104
I'll look it up edhopper Dec 2014 #106
Turn them into nightclubs or Mosques highmindedhavi Dec 2014 #31
Some cool restaurants edhopper Dec 2014 #33
for-profit businesses have to purge and prune their inventory from time to time to cut costs nt msongs Dec 2014 #62
Supply and demand Lordquinton Dec 2014 #151
Good Politicalboi Dec 2014 #70
The come as you are Ink Man Dec 2014 #72
Too bad that Republican megachurches aren't closing down. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #108
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