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36. I generally find a lot more wisdom in any given church service than I do in internet "debates".

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New York Archdiocese Appears Likely to Shutter More Churches [View all] edhopper Dec 2014 OP

Worried that the local parish by my Episcopal church will be shut done. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #1

People in places like NY don't seem edhopper Dec 2014 #2

Depends on the church. Some are growing but others are dying. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #4

True shenmue Dec 2014 #6

The folks not going don't seem to think it's sad. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #7

We can't speak for others. they can speak for themselves. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #8

They did speak for themselves by not attending church. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #9

here is what you wrote. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #13

Sweet Jesus, man. No one is speaking for them. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #20

Well it seem that way to me. if i am wrong sorry. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #29

You are. Apology accepted. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #51

ok. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #54

Great. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #60

This is closer edhopper Dec 2014 #10

+1. I see what you did there. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #11

I live edhopper Dec 2014 #12

What exactly do you think they're doing instead? rug Dec 2014 #17

Something more personally productive than going to church. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #21

Such as? rug Dec 2014 #22

Can't say, but the list seems endless. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #25

I see. You have no idea. rug Dec 2014 #26

I have plenty of ideas, and I offered you one. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #50

You offered an (expected) opinion. rug Dec 2014 #84

If you say so. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #91

I did say so. rug Dec 2014 #93

Yes, you did. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #103

Well, considering the heft of your opinion upthread, I'd say, easily more than yours. rug Dec 2014 #105

I expect you would. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #110

Sleeping in edhopper Dec 2014 #28

I'll give you coffee. rug Dec 2014 #30

Probably on par edhopper Dec 2014 #32

I generally find a lot more wisdom in any given church service than I do in internet "debates". rug Dec 2014 #36

You may at that edhopper Dec 2014 #39

Well the ignore button helps. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #42

Personally, I don't like to avert my eyes from anything. rug Dec 2014 #44

Well since i started using it the other day I find I have less issues. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #47

You may have to pluck it out, then. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #49

Whch of course is a reference to sin, not internet idiocy. rug Dec 2014 #127

I am beginning to think it is pointless as well. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #34

The point of many people is to make what could be a productive discussion, unproductive. rug Dec 2014 #38

You mean edhopper Dec 2014 #41

Yes. People performing internet pratfalls aside, there is much to discuss there. rug Dec 2014 #43

Why should a discussion of how the mechanics of a mythological event edhopper Dec 2014 #46

It wouldn't. That's because it's not about mechanics. rug Dec 2014 #80

How the parting of the Red Sea might have happened edhopper Dec 2014 #109

The who and the why are far more interesting. rug Dec 2014 #112

The who and why edhopper Dec 2014 #115

I went to link to your top-level material contribution to the moses thread, but I couldn't find it. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #86

I don't stand in line for popcorn. rug Dec 2014 #92

I can't, it's buried under 5 x 20 to the 60th power of dead bacteria. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #98

Or perhaps the transfer of one's own desires or emotions to another person. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #67

I'll defer to your expertise on the subject. rug Dec 2014 #82

If observing your posts over the years make me a subject matter expert cleanhippie Dec 2014 #88

Do Tell. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #78

I did tell. rug Dec 2014 #83

You mean, 'you did disrupt'. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #89

Welcome to the club. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #65

Well it is what it is. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #77

Hopefully introspection. Education. Philosophy. Debate. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #76

Do you have evidence for this? stone space Dec 2014 #27

Do you find the people edhopper Dec 2014 #48

Sometimes. Sometimes not. stone space Dec 2014 #52

So cleanhippie edhopper Dec 2014 #53

Do you find folks uniformly happy when their own church shuts down? stone space Dec 2014 #55

I don't know edhopper Dec 2014 #68

I find people uniformly interested in going to church, do so even if it's a table at the restaraunt AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #123

IMO and I base this on experience and from info from priest friends I know, most of these hrmjustin Dec 2014 #59

So you see edhopper Dec 2014 #66

Yes. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #79

Evidence for what? It's an opinion, not a proof. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #56

So you have no evidence for your opinion. stone space Dec 2014 #57

Lol cleanhippie Dec 2014 #69

What do you base your opinion on? hrmjustin Dec 2014 #58

Seriously? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #61

i gave the basis of my opinion here. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #63

It seems a reasonable assumption that if they have not been attending for some time... cleanhippie Dec 2014 #64

If a library is shut down, would you assume that nobody... stone space Dec 2014 #73

I think it reasonable to assume that those that didn't use the library cleanhippie Dec 2014 #75

I don't use the public library here. stone space Dec 2014 #90

I'm not surprised. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #97

Most folks here don't have access to the university library. stone space Dec 2014 #100

One of your underlying assumptions seems to be that you cleanhippie Dec 2014 #107

The reality is most who left neither died or are too infirmed. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #74

Interesting indeed. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #81

The doctrines of the church might seem too restrictive to younger people. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #85

Why do you think "atheism is on the rise?" cleanhippie Dec 2014 #95

People's values are different now than the values centuries ago. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #114

I would agree regarding changing values. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #118

Which is not a bad thing. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #119

No, it's not a bad thing at all. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #120

Well we shall see. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #121

We already are seeing it. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #122

Until Global Climate Change edhopper Dec 2014 #124

ok. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #125

Sure cleanhippie Dec 2014 #126

I think it depends on the Church - in some cases non-members are sad. goldent Dec 2014 #152

That's true Dorian Gray Dec 2014 #71

Nelson says... AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #3

Lot of Cafeteria Catholics in NY edhopper Dec 2014 #5

I kind of agree Sanity Claws Dec 2014 #35

This is how, I think, most atheists see religion going away. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #14

...Not with a bang, but a whimper. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #15

That sounds like wishful, if not magical, thinking. rug Dec 2014 #18

Seems to be happening. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #23

Your samples are very narrow. rug Dec 2014 #24

What does that tell you? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #37

That it's not going away. rug Dec 2014 #40

So no numbers? Awesome. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #45

Try Google. it's awesome. rug Dec 2014 #87

Not my claim; not my point to prove. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #94

This is your claim; your point to prove: rug Dec 2014 #101

No problem Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #116

"statistics on religion in America" rug Dec 2014 #129

Is that an increase or a decrease? Because you claimed there was an increase. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #131

It's populations that count. rug Dec 2014 #137

You have a problem with the humanist group? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #143

I have a problem with people who misstate what I say. rug Dec 2014 #148

So the answer is simple Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #153

Yes it is is asimple answer. One which keeps eluding you. rug Dec 2014 #155

Are you trying to say that those Africans that are now Christian Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #157

What a pathetic dodge. rug Dec 2014 #158

How is that a dodge? And how is it white privilege (from me, anyway)? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #159

The "brightest minds," eh? immoderate Dec 2014 #99

Simple statistics will tell you that. rug Dec 2014 #102

Can I roll around until you present the evidence? immoderate Dec 2014 #111

I'm sure you'd do that anyway. rug Dec 2014 #113

Give me your number for religious adherents. I'll calculate the 1% for you. immoderate Dec 2014 #117

Ask GM. rug Dec 2014 #128

I gave you the info that supports my claim as to what is happening here Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #130

Did you see 129? rug Dec 2014 #132

Percentage is what is important Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #133

Your post is about American trends. rug Dec 2014 #136

My original claim was about the US Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #142

We are going to force the believers to bow down to our AHTISETS ~gods! Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #19

No, it's simply a pompous posture based on a refexive urge. rug Dec 2014 #96

What's the old saying Lordquinton Dec 2014 #149

I disagree. I think "most atheists" don't really see religion going away. cbayer Dec 2014 #134

So he doesn't know what most atheist think edhopper Dec 2014 #135

Nope, I have no more right to speak for them than he does. cbayer Dec 2014 #138

"But I know the data": please do share it with us. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #139

You see edhopper Dec 2014 #140

I was making a point. Would everything be all right with you if I edited to cbayer Dec 2014 #141

Yes that would be good edhopper Dec 2014 #146

Okey dokey. cbayer Dec 2014 #147

So a couple things about my post. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #144

You are right about not being able to win around here. cbayer Dec 2014 #145

The what party? Lordquinton Dec 2014 #150

Let me make this real simple. cbayer Dec 2014 #154

It is so damn disturbing that you can take the language you just used here... trotsky Dec 2014 #156

I don't have the data edhopper Dec 2014 #16

You may find the reign of Julian the Apostate of interest. rug Dec 2014 #104

I'll look it up edhopper Dec 2014 #106

Turn them into nightclubs or Mosques highmindedhavi Dec 2014 #31

Some cool restaurants edhopper Dec 2014 #33

for-profit businesses have to purge and prune their inventory from time to time to cut costs nt msongs Dec 2014 #62

Supply and demand Lordquinton Dec 2014 #151

Good Politicalboi Dec 2014 #70

The come as you are Ink Man Dec 2014 #72

Too bad that Republican megachurches aren't closing down. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #108