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MellowDem

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58. Because of laws?

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:33 PM

Dec 2014

US citizenship isn't a belief system. It doesn't mean you agree with laws, it doesn't say anything about what you believe. It's a legal status.

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Yet Another Horrible New Atheist: Ayaan Hirsi Ali [View all] Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 OP

She really is an outstanding writer and critic of religion. n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #1

She's been affiliated with the right-wing American Enterprise Institute YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #80

LOL! n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #81

She's already been dismissed as a right wing crank in this venue. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #2

All the more reason she should have been in the picture of who Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #3

Little from column A, little from column B. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #4

Well, what would she know from merely living it? trotsky Dec 2014 #7

There's that binary thinking again. rug Dec 2014 #9

Considering Islam is explicitly misogynistic... MellowDem Dec 2014 #10

If a person is being intellectually honest and consistent, he or she would measure the degree rug Dec 2014 #13

They wouldn't identify with bigoted belief systems... MellowDem Dec 2014 #15

Let me know when you renounce your US citizenship, OK? stone space Dec 2014 #19

US citizenship isn't a belief system... MellowDem Dec 2014 #28

It's not an anology. stone space Dec 2014 #31

Then it's a completely irrelevant point? MellowDem Dec 2014 #36

Completely relevant. stone space Dec 2014 #40

What makes it relevant? MellowDem Dec 2014 #47

It may not be relevant to you. stone space Dec 2014 #51

Actually it is. It encompasses the obligations, as well as the rights, embodied in the Constitution. rug Dec 2014 #33

None of which are a belief system. MellowDem Dec 2014 #37

I take it you did not live under the draft. rug Dec 2014 #39

It's not a belief system MellowDem Dec 2014 #46

It absolutely is. rug Dec 2014 #48

Obligations are not beliefs... MellowDem Dec 2014 #49

Various belief systems impose obligations, as well as purported benefits. rug Dec 2014 #50

But the U.S. isn't one of them, MellowDem Dec 2014 #53

Watch how civics is taught in elementary school and see if that statement holds. rug Dec 2014 #54

Then what are the pacifist purges... stone space Dec 2014 #55

Because of laws? MellowDem Dec 2014 #58

Laws in violation of the First Amendment. stone space Dec 2014 #59

So, if laws are written to outlaw atheism, ... stone space Dec 2014 #69

I have no idea why you are attacking that Strawmen... MellowDem Dec 2014 #74

Laws target people with blasphemous beliefs. stone space Dec 2014 #75

Yes.... MellowDem Dec 2014 #76

Then why do we need Blasphemy Laws? stone space Dec 2014 #77

I agree there should be no blasphemy laws... MellowDem Dec 2014 #78

That would require the repeal of the Solomon Amendment. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #79

How can you have a PhD in Mathematics and be a mathematics professor Heddi Dec 2014 #60

I didn't say it was easy. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #62

no, what you didn't say was how you can have a PhD Heddi Dec 2014 #63

It wasn't easy. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #64

how did you do it? Heddi Dec 2014 #66

It's one of those "Don't try this at home" kind of thingies. stone space Dec 2014 #68

what does militancy have to do with Heddi Dec 2014 #70

The government doesn't like militants. stone space Dec 2014 #71

Thanks for the non-answer Heddi Dec 2014 #72

I told you it was hard. stone space Dec 2014 #73

Belief in and willingness to use violence. stone space Dec 2014 #52

did you just say you militant in your opposition to violence? Lordquinton Dec 2014 #61

Yes, I'm a militant atheist and a militant pacifist. stone space Dec 2014 #65

Yeah, I know, right Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #67

I see your ability to distinguish the part from the whole remains obtuse. rug Dec 2014 #32

I see your ability to excuse cognitive dissonance... MellowDem Dec 2014 #35

It would be condescending to excuse you. rug Dec 2014 #41

.. in .. a 2007 interview with Reason .. Hirsi Ali .. repudiates the notion that her enemy is merely struggle4progress Dec 2014 #5

Hirsi actually experienced being brutally silenced with no outlet. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #8

What did they say? stone space Dec 2014 #21

That isn't what i meant :/ AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #25

I found some commenbts by the Garner family. stone space Dec 2014 #26

They are clearly upset. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #27

You mean this? stone space Dec 2014 #22

Neither a Critic of Islam, Nor a Champion of Women's Rights struggle4progress Dec 2014 #6

Islam is a bigoted belief system... MellowDem Dec 2014 #11

Malcolm X's Letter from Mecca struggle4progress Dec 2014 #14

Tell me, are non-Muslims allowed in Mecca? MellowDem Dec 2014 #16

Consider who probably is and isn't implied by the word "brotherhood"... N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #18

Malcolm and the brotherhood of Muslims. edhopper Dec 2014 #23

I think it means killing people and blowing stuff up. stone space Dec 2014 #20

If you lived in a society... MellowDem Dec 2014 #29

You seemed unsure of its meaning. stone space Dec 2014 #30

Does it mean genocide? MellowDem Dec 2014 #34

I think it means killing people and blowing stuff up. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #44

So being a militant atheist means "killing people and blowing stuff up" Lordquinton Dec 2014 #38

Why do you keep attacking militant atheists? stone space Dec 2014 #43

-- Heddi Dec 2014 #56

I've met militant atheists Lordquinton Dec 2014 #57

She seems more conservative... MellowDem Dec 2014 #12

I'm afraid I think Hirsi Ali is one of the few high-profile New Atheists who really is a bigot. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #17

"inherent in Islam" =/= "All muslims" Lordquinton Dec 2014 #42

It is the Aflek blunder. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #45

She is a classic case of the "new convert fanatic". Odin2005 Dec 2014 #24