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edhopper

(33,651 posts) Thu Nov 20, 2014, 07:17 PM Nov 2014

FSU Student: It's great that he is unharmed, but this is just stupid. [View all]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fsu-student-saved-bullet-books-article-1.2017814

The truth is I was almost killed tonight and God intervened. I know conceptually He can do all things, but to physically witness the impossible and to be surrounded by such grace is indescribable.”

Did God put those books in his backpack? No. Did God who "can do all things" stop the gunman from shooting others. No.
What is impossible about this?

God, doing the least possible at all times.

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FSU Student: It's great that he is unharmed, but this is just stupid. [View all] edhopper Nov 2014 OP

What ever happened is god's will. notrightatall Nov 2014 #1

Yep, this is a really hilarious situation isn't it? cbayer Nov 2014 #6

Wank away. notrightatall Nov 2014 #15

So what about the equally-Christian sports personality on the other team, who LOST the game? Brettongarcia Nov 2014 #127

Funny story about that, Jeff Gordon is one of the greatest stock car drivers of all time. randys1 Nov 2014 #176

Ah, where did you go?? cbayer Dec 2014 #213

Heck cb, he was just mixing it up. marble falls Dec 2014 #214

He was doing much more than that. cbayer Dec 2014 #215

Yeah he was, and he needed to go. marble falls Dec 2014 #216

So what? gcomeau Nov 2014 #22

Yup. That is EXACTLY the problem. Yup yup yup. +1000 DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #30

the automatic corollary is; god chose not to save the other victims. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author JDDavis Nov 2014 #100

A quick learner Cartoonist Nov 2014 #169

Practice makes perfect. rug Nov 2014 #195

Hey JDDavis, what's shaking? cbayer Nov 2014 #174

What's your excuse? rug Nov 2014 #194

At it again, cbayer. Feral Child Nov 2014 #106

Will the ones who died say it is God's will? DBoon Nov 2014 #87

Pretty sure their families won't come to that conclusion either. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #91

Well, eerily, some do. trotsky Nov 2014 #110

the creator of the universe is vastly diminished from his former omnipotence. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #2

That's a lot of work do to during football season! arcane1 Nov 2014 #14

So what? It's harmless. cbayer Nov 2014 #3

It is not harmless. DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #31

Harmless? If it gives the other victims even a shred of 'why me then' thought, it's not harmless. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #58

You nailed it right there. trotsky Nov 2014 #109

Yes, it is harmless. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #118

If I've been served, it must have been a net shot, because there is no #22 in this thread. cbayer Nov 2014 #146

This 22? DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #177

I guess so. Like I said, net shot. cbayer Nov 2014 #178

Not harmless. Now he believes in Magic; pray, and God does it. No need for an education, say. Brettongarcia Nov 2014 #128

Which do you believe is more harmful? stone space Nov 2014 #148

How many people's lives do you think are affected by Republican Christian policies... trotsky Nov 2014 #151

Shit! How would I know how many NRA victims there are out there? stone space Nov 2014 #155

Just pull a number. trotsky Nov 2014 #159

he sure can be a lazy cuss, no? bvf Nov 2014 #4

Do you have a link to support your contention that there is some correlation between maturity cbayer Nov 2014 #7

Actually we discussed this last summer Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #9

OK, then (sigh). bvf Nov 2014 #19

That was an interesting piece, thanks for the link. n/t DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #36

You're welcome. bvf Nov 2014 #107

I think you just unintentionally made a really, really good point. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #60

The problem isn't guns. The problem is... stone space Nov 2014 #5

Yeah, how dare he. He must be psychiatrically ill. cbayer Nov 2014 #8

And there is the strawman. Have at it. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #11

Come on, Warren. Is this how... stone space Nov 2014 #16

hmmm... Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #17

I remember a Thanksgiving story. stone space Nov 2014 #20

That was so tortured, Dick Cheney's heart just grew three sizes. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #61

What was tortured? stone space Nov 2014 #64

Using it as an analogy. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #68

What was the miracle? (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #72

Nothing edhopper Nov 2014 #83

There was none. That's the point. It's a small point, should be easy to grasp. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #158

What she meant is immaterial edhopper Nov 2014 #71

What she meant was everything. stone space Nov 2014 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author edhopper Nov 2014 #77

??? (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #84

Now I see what edhopper Nov 2014 #85

I don't know what a "logical context" is. stone space Nov 2014 #103

Nice attempt at at straw man. trotsky Nov 2014 #111

The folks attacking the gun victim are being insulting... stone space Nov 2014 #123

Keep beating that straw man. trotsky Nov 2014 #139

I think the "logical" context is the deliberate insertion of an equivocation delrem Nov 2014 #199

Jesus Manuel Cordova (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #200

yes. nt delrem Nov 2014 #201

It's almost like a tag team. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #120

My problem is that he didn't say 'thank god'... DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #179

Good point! NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #183

If he is right, and God saved him edhopper Nov 2014 #184

The implication is obvious. delrem Nov 2014 #198

It's hardly a stretch. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #202

No, it is victims who did not believe strongly enough in God DBoon Nov 2014 #88

This OP is freaking flypaper. It's embarrassing. cbayer Nov 2014 #10

Make sure you clean your feet off. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #12

More like make sure she takes off the hip-waders. cleanhippie Nov 2014 #26

Why? n/t bvf Nov 2014 #21

Wow, just wow!!! cbayer Nov 2014 #89

Do you realize you just replied to yourself? AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #92

Miraculous, wasn't it? Raster Nov 2014 #102

There's a word to describe that sort of behavior. n/t. bvf Nov 2014 #104

Are you OK? trotsky Nov 2014 #112

Will you say a prayer for me, too, pretty please? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #122

I pray for you at least 6 times a day. cbayer Nov 2014 #145

luckily it wasn't Saturday. rurallib Nov 2014 #13

I lived in South Bend for 5 years irisblue Nov 2014 #54

Why have gun laws edhopper Nov 2014 #18

Stupid Ammosexual Arguement #5,457 (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #24

“That’s what happens when you write impenetrable prose,” he told The Daily News. rug Nov 2014 #23

Great, the right is gonna use this to promote even bigger and heavier books Lordquinton Nov 2014 #175

The NRA thanks you for your support in blaming gun victims. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #25

How did I blame the victim? edhopper Nov 2014 #27

I think that what you are really doing here is mascurading as an atheist to... stone space Nov 2014 #29

project much? Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #32

Why else would somebody post something like this? stone space Nov 2014 #34

for all the reasons mentioned. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #37

Atheists are not as immoral and unthinking as this thread is trying to paint us. stone space Nov 2014 #42

So basically you've come back to pick up right where you left off. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #52

YEP. 2nd verse, same as the first. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #75

I think that what you're really doing here is totally missing the damn point... DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #33

Real atheists aren't like this. That's a myth. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #35

Wtf are you talking about? DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #38

Real atheists don't bash gun victims like this. stone space Nov 2014 #39

NOBODY BASHED THE GUN VICTIM. DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #40

Yes, he's being bashed for his religion. stone space Nov 2014 #41

But not in the context of it in any way being his fault he's the victim. gcomeau Nov 2014 #43

He didn't insult anybody, so ar as I know. stone space Nov 2014 #44

Yes he damn well did. gcomeau Nov 2014 #45

He said that? stone space Nov 2014 #46

Are you kidding? gcomeau Nov 2014 #65

OK, so he didn't say that. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #67

And there it is, gcomeau, just like you predicted... DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #73

lol... was writing mine as you posted this. -eom gcomeau Nov 2014 #80

lol -- which is prolly a sign I should walk away from this thread before I stroke out... DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #82

And there it is, prediction fulfilled. gcomeau Nov 2014 #76

By IMPLICIT you meam that... stone space Nov 2014 #90

So you have no argument then. Gotcha. -eom gcomeau Nov 2014 #98

Give it a rest. bvf Nov 2014 #99

Atheists don't bash edhopper Nov 2014 #47

Atheists don't bash gun victims like this. No. stone space Nov 2014 #48

Could you link to the rules edhopper Nov 2014 #49

You are no atheist. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #50

I do not accept the existence of any god edhopper Nov 2014 #51

Oh, stone has been here before... Don't let that low postcount fool you. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #95

When stone hasn't stuck around it's because he's gotten himself an involuntary vacation from DU. trotsky Nov 2014 #113

Attempt #B at the No True Scotsman fallacy. never gonna hit a home run with that whiffle bat. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #94

Nailed it. okasha Nov 2014 #59

No, he's being bashed for his bullshit claim, which is unflattering toward the other victims. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #86

Not a very flattering position for anybody to take. stone space Nov 2014 #97

Then please explain what his position is. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #116

I simply boiled the claim down to its basic elements. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #131

No, you made up a new position on your own. stone space Nov 2014 #132

It's the INESCAPABLE CONCLUSION of what he said. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #134

It's your position, not his. Own it. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #136

It's not his words, no. That's why nobody put it in double quotes. But it is a valid paraphrase of AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #137

It is your position. Own it. stone space Nov 2014 #138

No poster in this discussion is atempting to 'attribute those words' to him as a quote, except you. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #141

"fuck you, got mine". stone space Nov 2014 #143

Excuse me, I put that in single quotes. It denotes a paraprhase, not a quote. Modifying that to AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #149

They are your words, and your words only. stone space Nov 2014 #150

Do you know what a paraphrase is? AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #152

In your case, it is a straw man of your own creation. stone space Nov 2014 #154

Getting tired of the bullshit. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #157

Of course it's there. You're ignoring it. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #55

I think you mean simplistic, not simple. stone space Nov 2014 #62

I don't understand how that equates to blaming the kid for gettting shot at? DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #63

It doesn't. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #66

I totally do. DeadLetterOffice Nov 2014 #78

OH! Now I understand. Yeah, i'm confused too. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #81

Because he didn't say that. stone space Nov 2014 #93

Ahahahha you are truly incredible. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #96

That's one possible implication, but... TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #101

I don't think anyone is arguing that the person who said it intended... trotsky Nov 2014 #114

This is much more than a reflex exclamation. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #129

As a gun victim, I think he's learned quite a bit about guns. stone space Nov 2014 #135

He's a victim in status only. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #140

How much does the NRA pay you to say shit like this? stone space Nov 2014 #142

He is a victim of a gun crime. He will count for the FBI UCR. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #144

Really? stone space Nov 2014 #147

IT'S RIGHT THERE IN HIS FUCKING QUOTE. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #156

No it's not stone space Nov 2014 #160

He does, when you realize he's claiming his god saved him, and not the other victims. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #161

You got yours, so fuck 'em. stone space Nov 2014 #162

Another take on this situation exboyfil Nov 2014 #28

This guy is a fucking moron. Books are actually really good at stopping pistol rounds. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #53

Gun nut calling gun victim a fucking moron? WTF??? (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #69

He made a falsifiable claim. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #70

Basically this is exhibit A in what miracles really are; ignorance. Books can stop pistol rounds. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #79

I guess it didn't occur to him that... Kalidurga Nov 2014 #56

As atheists, we need to change the way we respond to school shootings. stone space Nov 2014 #105

Sadly, no one is listening to you bvf Nov 2014 #108

You don't get to declare what atheists should or shouldn't do. n/t trotsky Nov 2014 #115

Yes I do. stone space Nov 2014 #119

LMFAO!!!!! trotsky Nov 2014 #121

Atheists have a right to speak out on this shit. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #124

They sure do. trotsky Nov 2014 #126

Okay Mr. Mathematics Logician edhopper Nov 2014 #130

I supported you on the Jesuit OP and the gun thing Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #117

It was kind of you to cut a break on that one. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #125

Anything else I need to be doing today? AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #133

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #153

Welcome to the Religion Group PepperFarmerOH cbayer Nov 2014 #163

Curious here... trotsky Nov 2014 #168

Her personal finances are really none of your business. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #192

The only "fringe" in this thread skepticscott Nov 2014 #182

Sorry about your friend, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2014 #226

I like Hatch chilis Brettongarcia Nov 2014 #164

Welcome to DU edhopper Nov 2014 #165

The catholic church has some very anti-democratic/progressive opinions on things like abortion, birt AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #166

Hello PepperFarmerOH! trotsky Nov 2014 #167

ROFLMFAO truebrit71 Nov 2014 #170

Oh, won't someone think of the goats!1! mr blur Nov 2014 #171

That goat only respects one man Heddi Nov 2014 #173

"Previously banned multiple times" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #180

And yet they were welcomed with open arms skepticscott Nov 2014 #181

By EarlG no less. That was pretty funny. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #203

Oh what a shame. He was getting along so nicely with the God Squad. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #210

God made trees, trees made the paper in the book that saved his life. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #172

He said the books couldn't have done it alone, without divine aid, so no, that's not what he meant. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #204

Perhaps I have missed it in this long thread edhopper Nov 2014 #185

Some believe everything is decided by God beforehand or that God makes things happen hrmjustin Nov 2014 #186

But if someone claims and believes edhopper Nov 2014 #187

It is so hard to answer exceot to say that they just believe this is how it is. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #188

See that's the thing, edhopper Nov 2014 #189

Well faith tends to be personal and people tend to think of it that way. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #190

Thanks edhopper Nov 2014 #191

Yeah it is a good question though. n/t. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #193

thanks edhopper Nov 2014 #208

Mad props for being the first religious apologist to actually address the question in a reasonable AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #206

Choose me!!! Choose me!! cbayer Nov 2014 #196

Yes edhopper Nov 2014 #197

Ah, but that is not the issue. cbayer Nov 2014 #209

I now see what you mean by illogical. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #212

Bah! Rainforestgoddess Dec 2014 #217

I have no idea what a god might or might not be able to do. cbayer Dec 2014 #218

That's pretty disingenuous Rainforestgoddess Dec 2014 #219

I am many things, but not disingenuous. cbayer Dec 2014 #220

urgh Rainforestgoddess Dec 2014 #221

I said urgh too, but probably in a different way than you did. cbayer Dec 2014 #222

urgh again ;) Rainforestgoddess Dec 2014 #223

urgh to you, too. cbayer Dec 2014 #224

I am frustrated because we basically agree with each other Rainforestgoddess Dec 2014 #225

Ok, I see that you are trying to make it lighthearted and I apologize. cbayer Dec 2014 #227

I agree with that too Rainforestgoddess Dec 2014 #228

I will agree that it's a small quibble and glad that we are talking like this as well. cbayer Dec 2014 #229

You've claimed it's illogical. You've not explained in any way, why you made that claim. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #205

Uh what? Your metaphor is not proving the point you think it is proving. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #211

Nice of God to take time out from Turbineguy Nov 2014 #207