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In reply to the discussion: Richard Dawkins: ‘It Would Be Immoral’ to Give Birth to A Child with Down’s Syndrome [View all]AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)188. Im not talking about the choice to bring it to term.
I'm describing gaming the system with the deliberate intent of producing a child with down syndrome, over opportunities to have a child without.
Would the deliberate creation of such have any moral implications?
Since its a far fetched scenario, how about medical experimentation working to better understand the condition, deliberately creating kids with this condition? Medically ethical test?
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Richard Dawkins: ‘It Would Be Immoral’ to Give Birth to A Child with Down’s Syndrome [View all]
rug
Aug 2014
OP
Again, a vacant statement. But this time it gets the rolly eyes for extra added credit!!
cbayer
Aug 2014
#103
If I were female, pregnant, and that test came back with those results.
AtheistCrusader
Aug 2014
#39
Of course you disagree. That is what happens when you are blinded by privilege,
AlbertCat
Aug 2014
#91
The Pope is directly relevant; the Catholic Church is a major voice in antiabortionism
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#19
Dawkins speaks of abortion, and specifically "choice." Catholicism is the major anti-choice voice.
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#106
No. I don't say ALL moral judgements are wrong. I just say the churches' ideas are mostly wrong.
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#125
I believe that religion has not made a convincing case in ethics, vs. reason-based systems
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#195
No. I follow evidence, not people. Science, not strong-arming individuals.
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#210
Your Pope and your church ALSO inject "morality" into the opposition of choice.
cleanhippie
Aug 2014
#23
Well, the OP was about something Dawkins said that caused a sensation...
TreasonousBastard
Aug 2014
#33
Ms. cbayer is a medical professional pretending to be shocked at say, an optional D & C?
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#18
Most suggest this should be a "choice" made by the woman herself. And no one else.
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#21
Is Dawkin's position that 1) not aborting deformed fetuses IS immoral in HIS opinion; 2) but ...
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#66
As a matter of fact, I think it happens all the time. But that was not the question.
rug
Aug 2014
#44
Well, since he tweeted his morality to the world at large, that really is a non-answer.
rug
Aug 2014
#48
I agree with that. He reached into whatever bag of morality he has to address that issue.
rug
Aug 2014
#53
What God did: slaughters all men, women, children, fetuses, that are not God's chosen
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#76
Closer to actual historical Catholic practice, and older versions of its doctrine.
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#126
The church I was born into allowed abortion. Its doctrine was that the embryo was NOT an "infant."
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#130
His dispute was primarily with the Church in Carthage. Augustine did also a century later.
rug
Aug 2014
#131
Nor has it ever been consistent or clear on what is an "infant" vs. an embryo
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#133
The Church today whitewashes the fact that Tertullian left the Church; and was never reliable
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#138
I read "soul" as basically a primitive early word for, more or less, a human "mind" or consciousness
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#196
I would have chosen the word "irresponsible" rather than "immoral" but only because...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2014
#64
Its always a quality of life issue for me, I want my potential future child...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2014
#79
Downs Syndrome isn't just a cognitive disability. There are physical issues as well
Heddi
Aug 2014
#85
Hell yes I want to go there, and your comparisons are fucking atrocious and offensive.
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2014
#95
What happens when that child is 30 and functions the same as he did when 7?
amuse bouche
Aug 2014
#145
Whoa! Have you spent any time at all with people with Downs and the people who love them?
cbayer
Aug 2014
#146
I've spent more that 25 years in the medical field and have seen plenty of people dumping
amuse bouche
Aug 2014
#149
"It outraged me to the point that I really crossed my own line in terms of being civil. "
amuse bouche
Aug 2014
#152
Yes it does attract outraged hysterical types. You would be a part of that, no?
cbayer
Aug 2014
#160
"I hope that no one alerts on this, because it should stand for anyone who happens by to see."
amuse bouche
Aug 2014
#154
I'm not referring to a woman choosing to abort any fetus. That is her choice. Trisomy 21 or not
Starboard Tack
Aug 2014
#155
"I could guess what that is all about, but I think I will just leave it alone"
amuse bouche
Aug 2014
#177
Just to add: I was Juror 2, and I am nevertheless horrified beyond belief at the Mengele comparison!
LeftishBrit
Aug 2014
#169
Not that anyone would do this, but let's construct a hypothetical. To examine morality.
AtheistCrusader
Aug 2014
#186
Deciding to bring a fetus to term cannot be immoral in any circumstances, imo
Starboard Tack
Aug 2014
#187
I don't think it is hard to comprehend but I think peopke take issue with his calling it immoral
hrmjustin
Aug 2014
#173
Rug, of Democratic Underground, just called Dawkins "an ass." Next? He repeats it.
Brettongarcia
Aug 2014
#197