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trotsky

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73. Absolutely so, from what I've seen.

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 07:38 AM

Mar 2012

But hey, let's take a moment and figure this out.

How, in your mind, should an atheist in this group post his or her opinion that religion is nonsense and an obstacle to progressive goals far more often than not, in a happy, campfire-singing way?

Could you perhaps write up a mock conversation between a believer and an atheist in this forum as you think it should flow?

Maybe you could start it with the believer posting something like, "I think Creationists are a bunch of dumbasses." Good campfire conversation.

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Give me a reasonable believer over an uncompromising atheist any day [View all] rug Mar 2012 OP

Even as an Atheist, I find that safeinOhio Mar 2012 #1

What he speaks to is what I had hoped we would see more of in this group. cbayer Mar 2012 #2

Yet you didn't speak against Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #3

+1 ellisonz Mar 2012 #4

Thanks. BTW, I think it can still be done. cbayer Mar 2012 #5

Then get onboard with the common goal and stop gladhanding the RW fundies. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #6

+1 pokerfan Mar 2012 #9

Talk about cutting of your nose to spite your face... ellisonz Mar 2012 #13

Asking you to do the right thing is cutting off my nose to spite my face? cleanhippie Mar 2012 #14

Your goal doesn't seem to be "dismantling the powerhouse that IS the religious right" ellisonz Mar 2012 #15

So it IS all about being "nice". I see now. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #16

Kindness is a virtue... ellisonz Mar 2012 #17

You can lecture me as soon as you put into practice that which you preach. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #21

I do practice what I preach, I'm doing it right now. ellisonz Mar 2012 #22

Ooh, good idea. Let's call it "The United States of America". Alternately: "The World". enki23 Mar 2012 #86

Give me a reasonable atheist over an uncompromising believer any day. Iggo Mar 2012 #7

Absolutely agree. cbayer Mar 2012 #8

And that's the problem with that sentence. Iggo Mar 2012 #44

I think he's very good at what he is doing. cbayer Mar 2012 #45

As a practical matter, that's how it usually turns out. nt Deep13 Mar 2012 #11

Interesting choice of words. Deep13 Mar 2012 #10

Believers need the ego-check... non-believers need the ego-boost... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #109

Reasonable believer? bowens43 Mar 2012 #12

You realize that is an unreasonable statement. rug Mar 2012 #18

I'm sure he has his reasons. cbayer Mar 2012 #19

. rug Mar 2012 #20

I like it when someone writes a piece and, essentially, titles it... 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #23

Wouldn't want to tax you. rug Mar 2012 #24

Does that mean you didn't get past the headline? BTW, the author is a atheist. cbayer Mar 2012 #25

Exactly. I didn't, and won't, get past the headline. Sue me. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #26

I don't want to sue you, but I would encourage you to get past the headline. cbayer Mar 2012 #28

From what I read Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #27

A de Botton style 'good' atheist. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #47

Would this be a bad time to bring up the No True Scotsman analogy. cbayer Mar 2012 #48

again - same ridiculous response. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #49

Help me out here. Who is the "we" that thinks de Botton is a pompous ass? cbayer Mar 2012 #50

is the google broken for you? Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #51

I was aware that there were those that objected to de Botton's recent book cbayer Mar 2012 #52

Sorry to jump in, but shouldn't all progressives, regardless of theist/atheist, Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #57

Win. n/t laconicsax Mar 2012 #71

Allies - it's worth reinterating GliderGuider Mar 2012 #72

There is no minority movement that is going to get the steam it needs to be heard cbayer Mar 2012 #78

Give me a reasonable person over an unreasonable person, no matter what they do or don't believe. GliderGuider Mar 2012 #29

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #30

There's no dopamine rush from being reasonable. GliderGuider Mar 2012 #31

There's no dopamine rush from being reasonable - brilliant, but is it true? cbayer Mar 2012 #34

My take on it is that strong emotions are self-rewarding because they trigger dopamine release GliderGuider Mar 2012 #36

The bigotry of the Westboro church Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #33

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #35

Cool! Didn't that feel good to post? GliderGuider Mar 2012 #37

Two more and his transparency page shows up. Go Leontius go! 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #54

Maybe you two could make a race out of it, since you only need 2 more as well! cbayer Mar 2012 #55

Oh, you're rooting for me! I'm flattered. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #56

Broad brush much? laconicsax Mar 2012 #38

I prefer a decent argument over a strawman. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #32

Ah, but decent arguments are harder to beat up than a straw man. n/t laconicsax Mar 2012 #39

Once again, edhopper Mar 2012 #40

Neither ideas nor antagonistic bullshit get a free pass here. rug Mar 2012 #42

But most the atheist here edhopper Mar 2012 #43

And that's a god damn shame. cbayer Mar 2012 #46

I am here for edhopper Mar 2012 #64

I've had some of my most interesting, enlightening and compelling conversations cbayer Mar 2012 #66

Seem here edhopper Mar 2012 #67

Not so, Mr. Hopper. Not so. cbayer Mar 2012 #68

Absolutely so, from what I've seen. trotsky Mar 2012 #73

Give me a reasonable believer AlbertCat Mar 2012 #41

There are none so blind as those who will not see. Festivito Mar 2012 #53

From you I wear that as a badge of honor. Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #58

I wish we could have a rational discussion. Festivito Mar 2012 #61

So you tell the atheists that actually speak up Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #75

Nope. Not atheists that speak up, rather, ones that speak up badly. Festivito Mar 2012 #90

"secretively-agenda-ed disingenuous" Silent3 Mar 2012 #60

Yes, some, they come to a discussion board and do not discuss. Festivito Mar 2012 #62

So you have some kind of standard, mr blur Mar 2012 #79

Standard-yes. To enter discussion-no. Myself as arbiter-yes. Festivito Mar 2012 #92

Here is what a rational discussion looks like, and it's well above your "standard." cleanhippie Mar 2012 #99

Rational discussion should be above discussion. Duh! Festivito Mar 2012 #101

Fixed the link, and here it is again. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #102

Please define what counts as "discuss" in your book Silent3 Mar 2012 #82

Quickly: Responsive interchange. Festivito Mar 2012 #91

Secret Agenda !?! edhopper Mar 2012 #65

Yes, see 62, above. /nt Festivito Mar 2012 #69

So when believes edhopper Mar 2012 #77

Why would that be? Festivito Mar 2012 #93

Perhaps a "straightforward question," may have no simple. straight answer. Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #70

Vague non answers are ubiquitous here from believers edhopper Mar 2012 #76

I'm glad you had this chance to vent and show us true Christian love for one's enemies. trotsky Mar 2012 #74

The worst thing one can do to someone is to say nothing. /nt Festivito Mar 2012 #94

That's not what Jesus said. trotsky Mar 2012 #96

How's that? Festivito Mar 2012 #97

Read your bible. trotsky Mar 2012 #98

Don't be a jerk. Please. If you have some passage where Jesus says ignore others... Festivito Mar 2012 #100

"Don't be a jerk" says the author of post #53. trotsky Mar 2012 #103

I gather that as far as you are concerned the OP can have his druthers Festivito Mar 2012 #105

Well you're off to a good start. deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #80

Allow me to explain why I think it might not work. Festivito Mar 2012 #95

I have learned much from a master deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #104

Crying over spilled votes and pot shots that have a little truth are not bad things. Festivito Mar 2012 #106

whatever helps you make broadbrush attacks and sleep at night. n/t deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #107

What was a broadbrush, let alone a broadbrush attack? /nt Festivito Mar 2012 #108

I would take a reasonable anything over an uncompromising anything... LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #59

I also struggle with the word uncompromising, but cbayer Mar 2012 #63

plenty of my friends are uncompromising atheists, I'll take them every time! n/t deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #81

There's a practical aspect to that. rug Mar 2012 #83

You'd think so wouldn't ya? deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #84

Damn those uncompromising atheists for... not compromising... on... something... enki23 Mar 2012 #85

Give me a reasonable civil unionist rather than an uncompromising gay marriage advocate any day enki23 Mar 2012 #87

Give me a reasonable "small stick" advocate over an uncompromising feminist any day enki23 Mar 2012 #88

Actual thread title: people I think are annoying annoy me. Even when we both like chocolate. enki23 Mar 2012 #89