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Goblinmonger

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160. You are more than entitled to that opinion.

Sun Jul 6, 2014, 12:04 AM

Jul 2014

I realize at this point that is the majority opinion and have no problem with that.

My problem is that you are conflating the situation here in Religion with A/A. Not the same animals at all.

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Religion Host Vacancy [View all] Renew Deal Jul 2014 OP

I second pinto. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #1

The fact that you're framing this as "allies" and enemies skepticscott Jul 2014 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Jul 2014 #4

My apologies. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #5

Why intentionally stack the deck? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #13

The agreement of hosting here requires two from each side and a neutral poster. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #14

There is nothing openly discoverable about that in the group SOP. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #15

Point taken but there are links to it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #16

here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #17

You are entirely correct about this. cbayer Jul 2014 #19

Attack? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #20

Yes, attack. cbayer Jul 2014 #21

That is not 'going after'. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #24

Also, BULLSHIT the OP made that clear. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #30

I thought "the believer side of things" made the point, but I can cbayer Jul 2014 #31

The point is there is a balance here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #32

Thank you. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #27

You can't do much better than pinto for help in the forum. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #2

I wholly support pinto. longship Jul 2014 #6

I think we can go host-less Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #7

No host? Does that mean no SOP? longship Jul 2014 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author mr blur Jul 2014 #33

no - it means SOP alerts, which almost never happen, would go to the admins. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #39

But the hosting in this room is fine. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #40

Until it comes time to add a new host, then it is not so fine. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #41

Do you not like the current agreement or you don't like host election threads? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #42

You do recall that hosting here is so smooth that you felt compelled to resign, right? Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #43

I resigned because I was not suited to it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #44

You just can't help yourself can you? William769 Jul 2014 #48

Thanks for the personal attacks william, it is always a pleasure to hear from you. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #62

Glad to be of service William769 Jul 2014 #70

In other words, the hosting works fine... longship Jul 2014 #56

The lack of hosting goes just fine. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #65

Ahem! There have been three alerts since I came on board. longship Jul 2014 #67

I'll try one more time and then leave it. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #74

There is no consensus for that in this thread. longship Jul 2014 #76

Well there is no consensus for anything in this thread. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #96

No. We have a hosting agreement. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #97

There is no consensus on that either. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #98

No one is opposed to him. Some of you want to change the hosting agreement but you don't hrmjustin Jul 2014 #99

I made myself quite clear: I am opposed to any new hosts. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #100

I heard you but the election continues because there is no agreement to change the rules. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #101

And? rug Jul 2014 #104

How about this, then. okasha Jul 2014 #105

ROFL!!!! longship Jul 2014 #106

How about you tone it down a little? Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #108

Fine. I agree. longship Jul 2014 #109

We go through it because some of us think it would be a good idea Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #110

And when people disagree you post things like... longship Jul 2014 #111

I never said that. Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #114

That might be because LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #116

Well, in this thread there are six. longship Jul 2014 #118

No I am not saying the minority should get our way LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #121

Okay. That's reasonable, except... longship Jul 2014 #127

I said nonbeliever hosts LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #131

Any discussion must include all, or none. longship Jul 2014 #134

I think a second thread by those wanting to air our grievences might be a good idea. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #135

Glad to see you chiming in, Justin. longship Jul 2014 #136

We all have complaints here but I think they should not be in this thread. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #138

Thank you, my friend. longship Jul 2014 #141

I love filthy athiests! hrmjustin Jul 2014 #143

Love you too Justin Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #190

Very well. LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #137

I will volunteer to start it. longship Jul 2014 #139

Sounds good (nt) LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #140

Well, let me start modify my suggestion just a bit. longship Jul 2014 #144

If you moderate such a thread, you should refrain from making comments like trotsky Jul 2014 #199

I'll be fair. longship Jul 2014 #201

I trust you to be fair. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #202

I think it has, too. okasha Jul 2014 #203

No, longship, your language is what excludes people. trotsky Jul 2014 #217

Gees! longship Jul 2014 #231

No, we're obviously never happy about anything. trotsky Jul 2014 #232

Now you are putting words in my mouth. longship Jul 2014 #233

Oh, kinda like you did to me by saying I wanted to exclude people? trotsky Jul 2014 #234

Apparently you want to exclude me. longship Jul 2014 #235

WRONG. trotsky Jul 2014 #236

Refrain from weighing in heavily? longship Jul 2014 #237

I see you have doubled down on the double standard. trotsky Jul 2014 #238

Three? Name them please. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #239

Tell you what, Justin. I'll make a deal. trotsky Jul 2014 #240

No I am not playing your game. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #241

Nope, no deal. trotsky Jul 2014 #242

You make a claim that is untrue you should at least explain it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #243

longship made a claim that was untrue and you don't give a fuck. trotsky Jul 2014 #244

Again you won't answer. Maybe you don't really believe your claim. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #245

I believe the answer is blatantly obvious. trotsky Jul 2014 #246

Lol the only thing obvious here is you. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #247

longship made the first false claim. trotsky Jul 2014 #250

Are you seriously giving me a he did it first response? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #251

Yup I sure am. trotsky Jul 2014 #252

So your admitting your wrong but because he said something you didn't like your not retracting hrmjustin Jul 2014 #253

I'm willing to admit I am wrong about my 3 hosts claim... trotsky Jul 2014 #254

No trotsky I don't follow your logic. But I have my answer and that is all I need. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #257

I'll explain: trotsky Jul 2014 #258

Uh no sorry but he is a non-believer. Sorry I don't buy this. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #259

I am not questioning whether he is a non-believer, justin. trotsky Jul 2014 #260

No I am calling you out on your bull! You can dish it out but can't take it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #261

I've explained myself as best as I could, as honestly as I could, and as sincerely as I could. trotsky Jul 2014 #262

No sorry but I don't buy that either. You are a smart poster who knows how to make an argument and hrmjustin Jul 2014 #263

So you're calling me a liar. trotsky Jul 2014 #265

I am saying you acted like a child today. You made false statments and you said you wouldn't hrmjustin Jul 2014 #266

Again,I've explained myself as best as I could, as honestly as I could, and as sincerely as I could. trotsky Jul 2014 #267

your own words. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #269

Just because he called you on your bullshit doesn't mean he's "non-believer-friendly". rug Jul 2014 #271

And you don't get to make demands on the group. rug Jul 2014 #255

One does not need to be a believer to be a host sympathetic to believers Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #248

He should name them. We have 4 hosts and he is saying 3 are sympathetic to believers. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #249

The converse is also true. rug Jul 2014 #256

Amazing. Absolutely amazing. nt longship Jul 2014 #270

Bad longship! okasha Jul 2014 #272

I naively thought I could help. longship Jul 2014 #273

Sadly, there are posters okasha Jul 2014 #274

That "clusterfuck" of a thread you linked to was locked rug Jul 2014 #132

After being up for a week and having over 500 replies... LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #133

It should have been locked without any replies at all. rug Jul 2014 #161

Stay classy, rug. Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #170

I didnt start that clusterfuck, Goblin, you did. rug Jul 2014 #177

Strange LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #181

If I responded to every abusive post in there it would have been 200 replies. rug Jul 2014 #182

By we, I mean those of us who are advocating no hosts LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #184

If we are going to vote for another partisan host SecularMotion Jul 2014 #119

I doubt the believers and several non believers would agree with removal. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #120

Thanks for the edit SecularMotion Jul 2014 #123

I think there are non on the believer side who would agree to remove him. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #126

I corrected my post. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #130

Justin LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #124

I say this with all respect but we all have to agree. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #125

The post you were replying to LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #128

Oops. I meant the believers. Thanks for the correction. lol. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #129

I definitely think something is going on with the nonbelievers here LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #122

I am a lifelong and very fervent atheist. longship Jul 2014 #183

You can claim whatever you wish SecularMotion Jul 2014 #185

Do you really want to make judgments about people based on their behavior in this thread? rug Jul 2014 #191

Are you saying he is not an Atheist? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #193

If you feel so strongly okasha Jul 2014 #112

A/A is a safe haven Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #115

Sure. okasha Jul 2014 #117

If Religion were a safe haven, I would not argue for no hosts. Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #142

In other words, okasha Jul 2014 #146

Yes, I do. Safe havens are not the same as open groups. Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #156

Two members were banned for a month last year. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #159

A whole year ago Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #164

We can both make arguments on both of them. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #165

And you don't think that would start a shit storm? Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #167

It never caused a storm before. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #169

And you have not given me enough Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #171

And I have no clue why we should fire them. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #179

Wrong. okasha Jul 2014 #163

I have registered no complaints about longship on here Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #166

"...doesn't tolerate deviation from the party line." Rob H. Jul 2014 #145

All that has happened in Religion, too. okasha Jul 2014 #147

I agree. if they think the room should not have hosts then they should try it in AA. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #148

I can't imagine that it would. okasha Jul 2014 #154

Agreed. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #155

Do you not understand the difference between safe havens and open groups? Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #157

I know the difference and you know I do sir. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #158

You are more than entitled to that opinion. Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #160

No they are not but you still could lead by example. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #162

OK, I probably haven't made this clear yet, so here it goes: Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #168

I am host of the ny room and do not expect to ban anyone from there but... hrmjustin Jul 2014 #172

Does it get a lot of trollish behavior that needs banning? Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #173

I can tell you as a member of mirt that religion gets trolls. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #174

Sure it does. MIRT generally takes care of them. Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #176

hosts have alerted me to trolls here in this room. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #178

MIRT is limited to posters under 100 posts. rug Jul 2014 #180

I favor retaining hosts in all groups, too Rob H. Jul 2014 #194

Half the posts there volate Wheaton's Law. rug Jul 2014 #195

Volate? LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #196

I would edit the typo but I'll let it stand as a tribute to pedantry. rug Jul 2014 #197

Which is precisely why hosts are needed in Religion. rug Jul 2014 #175

Empty vessel syndrome. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #188

Scroll down to my last post. longship Jul 2014 #189

Not true. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #68

Yet we have no such "food fights" amongst Religion hosts. longship Jul 2014 #45

The problem is the "opposing teams of hosts". Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #46

Duh! Which is why this thread is here. longship Jul 2014 #51

You forgot the sarcasm smiley. mr blur Jul 2014 #57

It had been much better until recently. rug Jul 2014 #58

If you have an opinion on the issue I would respectfully request that you state it. longship Jul 2014 #59

I don't have an opinion on this host issue. Which is why I didn't state one. mr blur Jul 2014 #83

One small correction. I am a lifelong atheist. longship Jul 2014 #90

Of course you are. So leave out the word "fellow" - the rest still stands. mr blur Jul 2014 #102

I do and have pointed it out ... longship Jul 2014 #113

You're a GD host. rug Jul 2014 #49

He's an excellent poster and will be an excellent host. rug Jul 2014 #8

Pinto has my enthusiastic support. okasha Jul 2014 #9

Not familiar enough with Pinto to vote yah or nay LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #10

Why no hosts? longship Jul 2014 #12

From my understanding from the last host replacement LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #22

I think the current hosting situation has worked really well. cbayer Jul 2014 #23

While it is going smoothly this time LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #72

I think the hosts need to leave their options open. cbayer Jul 2014 #89

Agreed. trotsky Jul 2014 #25

All hosts resign: SOP alerts go to the admins. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #35

We couldn't all agree on this the last time it was asked. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #36

Well we can't all agree on anything, so that is nothing new. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #37

ok. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #38

Another option would be to make all the regulars hosts. ZombieHorde Jul 2014 #55

we would then fight over who is a "regular". Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #64

Civility and discussion? longship Jul 2014 #80

The room could not agree on anew arrangement last time so we stuck with the old system. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #28

Strong support for pinto here. cbayer Jul 2014 #18

Looks like a slam dunk LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #69

I also support Pinto as a host. nt TM99 Jul 2014 #26

Pinto is an excellent choice. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #29

Nobody. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #34

Yup. Same stuff from the same few. longship Jul 2014 #61

My complaint LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #75

Well, your complaint is a valid one, in principle. longship Jul 2014 #78

With only juries, no member can be blocked until five hides. rug Jul 2014 #79

Okay LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #81

Talk to one of the longer-serving hosts, Renew Deal or Zombiehorde, if you want details. rug Jul 2014 #82

Wow. What exactly is the cause of your bizarre obsession? (nt) stone space Jul 2014 #150

Choosing partisan hosts only serves to perpetuate the Great Divide in the Religion group. SecularMotion Jul 2014 #47

Who do you imagine is non-partisan? cbayer Jul 2014 #52

I consider all of the 4 current hosts to be non-partisan. SecularMotion Jul 2014 #60

That's the reason why the current system works longship Jul 2014 #63

I don't know if you're old enough to remember when judges were above politics in our society. SecularMotion Jul 2014 #66

That is more or less what happens anyway. longship Jul 2014 #71

There was never such a time, as far as I know. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #73

I don't deny that there have been partisan rulings throughout history SecularMotion Jul 2014 #77

I think people self identify, just as you and I have. cbayer Jul 2014 #88

I have not posted in this Group for a long time but William769 Jul 2014 #50

You always count, William769. cbayer Jul 2014 #53

Thank you. William769 Jul 2014 #54

I vote for no hosts - hear me out EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2014 #84

Help me understand. longship Jul 2014 #86

I guess I disagree that it works EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2014 #91

Well, your position is a small minority. longship Jul 2014 #93

You are either ignoring the abusive posters that routinely post abusive posts in here rug Jul 2014 #94

I'm a little embarrassed about all of this. And have appropriately stayed out of the discussions. pinto Jul 2014 #85

Seems like you are going to win pretty handidly LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #87

You are an excellent choice and joining a great group. cbayer Jul 2014 #92

You would do a fine job. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #95

I Think You Would Be Excellent For The Post, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #103

I vote no hosts, one main host, or no filling of s4p's space Heddi Jul 2014 #107

+1 Iggo Jul 2014 #198

Here's what's happening. longship Jul 2014 #149

I think pinto has no opposition personally so I personally think renew deal should add him tomorrow. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #151

Alert the media! longship Jul 2014 #152

Just not fox! hrmjustin Jul 2014 #153

You should really step off and allow a neutral host to handle this matter. SecularMotion Jul 2014 #186

I assure you I am very neutral on religion. longship Jul 2014 #187

Why? Your accusation is baseless. rug Jul 2014 #192

But you said upthread that you considered all the present hosts okasha Jul 2014 #200

My opinion has changed SecularMotion Jul 2014 #204

"half the room"? rug Jul 2014 #205

It's math based on okasha Jul 2014 #207

Look, I realize that non-believers hold the majority in here SecularMotion Jul 2014 #208

Well, reading the opinions in this thread on the issue at hand, I've got to say you're wrong. rug Jul 2014 #209

And not all the regular non-believers agree on the question. all of the believers in this room agree hrmjustin Jul 2014 #210

Also true. rug Jul 2014 #211

True. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #212

The fact is there is an agreement in place. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #206

Attempting to change the rules okasha Jul 2014 #213

I hope they close this tomorrow. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #214

I wish they'd closed it okasha Jul 2014 #215

And this is where you make a mistake. cbayer Jul 2014 #216

Oh FFS. trotsky Jul 2014 #218

I wonder if people are talking about the group because they can. Renew Deal Jul 2014 #282

So here's the count to dispel the "small minority" language Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #219

You need consensus to change the rules here and there is none. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #220

There is no consensus to keep hosts either. Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #222

No. The owners of thi site say consensus is needed to do things here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #223

You do not have consensus to add a new host then Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #224

Yes we do. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #225

How do you possibly have consensus to replace the host vacancy Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #227

Do you agree that absent of a rule change that the rules remain in effect? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #228

No Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #229

I disagree. the rules were agreed to and we have a new host. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #230

Well see here's the issue, GM. trotsky Jul 2014 #221

Au contraire. How does that go? Mock the idea, not the person? rug Jul 2014 #226

Thanks Renew Deal Jul 2014 #281

Im out of town so can't address all the posts I want to LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #264

LMAO! trotsky Jul 2014 #268

I would like to remove myself from consideration as a forum host. pinto Jul 2014 #275

Reconsider. You have near unanimous support. rug Jul 2014 #276

Please reconsider. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #277

Please do reconsider. okasha Jul 2014 #278

Please reconsider. You would be a valuble addition to the team. William769 Jul 2014 #279

Although only an occasional participant on this forum, I hope that you would reconsider LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #280

I never closed this thread because I respect many of the people here. Renew Deal Jul 2014 #283