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Viva_Daddy

(785 posts)
35. As they original poster, I would like to weigh in.
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 04:00 PM
Mar 2012

Last edited Sun Mar 4, 2012, 04:59 PM - Edit history (1)

My purpose for writing the op was not to dispute whether or not believers accept divine inspiration for scripture but to point out that religious institutions and scripture tend to give “divine sanction” to the status-quo (i.e., the then current social and cultural norms). All “innovations” that have occurred in the history of religion have come from reformers like the OT prophets, Jesus, Martin Luther and Martin Luther King, and the chief opponents of these reforms have been the religious establishments.

So it seems curious to me that scripture, which believers contend came from the all-knowing mind of God, has rarely been a source of ideas that we moderns would consider to be humanely enlightened models for civilization (other than preaching the values of justice and mercy). Instead, the Democratic values we Americans hold dear (like separation of Church and State, limited powers, checks and balances, representative government, etc.) have come from human social reformers.

And so, to my modern American-made mind, ideas of the thinkers of the Enlightenment such as Voltaire and Rousseau, and our Founding Fathers who were the students of the Enlightenment, have done more to advance human society than the ideas all the Gods of all the religious of the world.

either that or maybe god is a republican after all? unblock Mar 2012 #1
I wondered about Jesus being a Republican when I reread his saying that... Viva_Daddy Mar 2012 #7
You are treading on the slippery slope of reason and rational thought... cleanhippie Mar 2012 #2
Try the Bible Geek longship Mar 2012 #3
Thank you for the suggestion. Viva_Daddy Mar 2012 #11
it has been translated and retranslated so many times plus rurallib Mar 2012 #4
Solon of Athens and the Iroquois Federation vs the Bible and Mein Kampf saras Mar 2012 #5
If you had the slightest knowledge of the history of Biblical criticism, Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #6
Are you saying that no Christians believe the Bible to be the literal Word of God? laconicsax Mar 2012 #8
Of course there are church members--millions who say that the Bible is the inspired word of God. Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #13
Sorry for attacking your enemies. laconicsax Mar 2012 #15
Fundamentalist Christians exist in significant numbers. Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #19
Just a few posts upthread you denied they even existed! laconicsax Mar 2012 #29
Sorry I wasn't clear. Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #31
There you go again! laconicsax Mar 2012 #33
No, what i object to is your lumping us all together Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #21
YOU lump all Christians together! laconicsax Mar 2012 #30
Give it a break! Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #32
Your exact words: laconicsax Mar 2012 #34
+1,000,000 skepticscott Mar 2012 #48
I think I have asked this before. edhopper Mar 2012 #18
Since you have a predetermined definition of God I must hold, Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #20
I do want an answer. edhopper Mar 2012 #22
Good enough Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #23
Thanks. edhopper Mar 2012 #26
How well tama Mar 2012 #27
I'm not looking for edhopper Mar 2012 #28
Are those the same seminaries all across the world skepticscott Mar 2012 #49
2 Tomothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God...." Viva_Daddy Mar 2012 #9
*psst* laconicsax Mar 2012 #10
Except the NT had not been written/put together at that point The Straight Story Mar 2012 #16
nor the bible in general? The torah dates to c. 600BCE. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #37
I would not call that the 'bible in general' The Straight Story Mar 2012 #39
So precisely what do you mean by the "bible in general"? Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #40
I have never been to a church that didn't believe the bible was at least inspired by God... Kalidurga Mar 2012 #12
They are out there. Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #14
Some disagreement here Angry Dragon Mar 2012 #17
If I am going to pontificate about astronomy, for instance, Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #24
Then point those points out Angry Dragon Mar 2012 #25
As they original poster, I would like to weigh in. Viva_Daddy Mar 2012 #35
Or the abrahamic god is just a rotten mean spirited deity. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #36
God didn't because I said so... Sal316 Mar 2012 #38
So you're going to argue that God wrote the Bible. laconicsax Mar 2012 #41
Nice try, but that's not what I said. Sal316 Mar 2012 #42
You mean the absurdity of Biblical hermeneutics? laconicsax Mar 2012 #43
Yeah, but they were *inspired* by their god mr blur Mar 2012 #44
Well...... duh! AlbertCat Mar 2012 #45
how about option C deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #46
or D Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #47
And we call those stories myths skepticscott Mar 2012 #50
I fixed that for you deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #51
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