Religion

rug

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94. What bizarre logic.

Tue Mar 25, 2014, 08:30 PM

Mar 2014

Religious belief causes mentally ill people to kill and people who disagree (I expect you know but ignore the fact that this includes people who are not "religionists&quot are deluded.

Your streak of using mental illness as a slur is intact.

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'I didn't kill her. I killed the demon inside her' - Religious delusion kills again. [View all] cleanhippie Mar 2014 OP

4 year old flame bait, powered by cleanhippie. rug Mar 2014 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Mar 2014 #2

This is 4 years old. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #3

And? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #4

Oh lord! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #5

There you go again! cleanhippie Mar 2014 #6

You should ket oeople know your article is 4 years old in the op. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #7

I did. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #8

Ok. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #9

You edited it to add this: rug Mar 2014 #10

So what is your conclusion from this? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #11

Insanity/murderousness seems to take on a religious character often. Or vice-versa. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #16

And how do you deal with this? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #18

We start by talking openly about it, like we are doing here. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #22

But this is not of religion he has a mental issue. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #24

A mental issue strangely corrolated to Religious belief Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #25

But that is not religions fault that his illness manifested itself this way. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #26

That's a subject that remains to be seen Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #27

Really? Can religion make you mentally ill? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #29

That's the matter we are interested in determining here, in an open-minded way Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #31

You do realize if he did not hear of religion he still could have done these things. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #34

"Would have" is sheer speculation. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #37

Where is the guy now? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #39

Hmm... Iggo Mar 2014 #69

Ah! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #70

"I was doing the work of God" is not religion? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #30

Would you answer my question I asked you? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #32

Religion had nothing to do with this? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #36

Did religion make him ill? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #38

Religion fueled his illness. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #41

There is nothing that can be done about this. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #43

You're making a fundamental mistake here... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #62

So what is your solution? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #63

That's above my pay grade (n/t) Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #65

So Many? How many are killed each year by their religious parents? nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #67

More than zero, it would seem (n/t) Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #68

He won't. He can't let facts interfere with his narrative. rug Mar 2014 #44

I just don't get this. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #45

Perseverance is also a symptom of mental illness. rug Mar 2014 #46

Thanks for the info. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #47

An institution for mentally ill people that did what some call crimes? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #49

Ok well lets assume it triggered him off. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #50

Except warning people to avoid the trigger Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #51

or take their meds properly hrmjustin Mar 2014 #53

Both are helpful. But if he'd seen it intellectually in time? Less need for meds. And maybe ... Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #55

With what he had you need meds I think. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #56

That's what we're trying to determine here. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #59

Well we know what he has. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #60

Whats not to get? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #52

I see it just fine. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #54

Maybe we can FIND the answer Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #57

How would you put this in action in real life. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #58

Actually, I here offer thanks to DU for providing part of the answer to Mental Delusion/Illness Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #97

We speak out plenty. maybe you're just not listening enough. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #105

You mean "you're"? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #106

Yes thamk you. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #107

I think the 'and' part is because you are posting this Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #35

Thank you for sharing. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #12

The point is that the largest and oldest christian institution Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #13

Are you sure that's Cleanhippies point? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #14

The RCC is one example. yes really religion should stop propagating dangerous woo. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #15

It depends on your definition of dangerous woo. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #20

So you disagree and think it is fine that religion continues to Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #28

I kind of specifically said I don't believe in exorcism. And I don't. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #33

All woo can be dangerous. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #40

That's pretty accurate i believe el_bryanto Mar 2014 #42

In a nutshell skepticscott Mar 2014 #66

And here is yet another example skepticscott Mar 2014 #61

Thank you for stating your position so clearly el_bryanto Mar 2014 #64

The Bible warns about "false" and evil "spirits" that appear to be good and from God Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #99

I'm not sure what your point is here el_bryanto Mar 2014 #101

Sounds about right. My point though would be that even spiritual Christianity has problems Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #108

I think those are good warnings; anything if carried to extremes can be problematic el_bryanto Mar 2014 #111

He did think god talked to him. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #17

ehere is he now? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #19

Where are all the other people EvilAL Mar 2014 #73

If you hear voices seek medical attention. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #75

I see. EvilAL Mar 2014 #76

No they heard the Holy Spirit. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #77

aaah.. How convenient. EvilAL Mar 2014 #78

Yes pretty much. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #79

Wow, it's just that simple. EvilAL Mar 2014 #80

Well we disagree. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #82

Yeah, no shit. EvilAL Mar 2014 #83

I have faith in that the events of the NT happened. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #88

Missed that part - yes there it is el_bryanto Mar 2014 #23

"'I was doing the work of God,' he said. " Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #21

Thanks to rug for finding this. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #48

This does not clear up the matter; it's not either/or Religious Delusion v. Mental Illness Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #98

M aybe your wrong. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #104

Most of the Psychology articles we looked at in "Religion=Delusion" confirm what I'm saying Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #109

It's not religions fault. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #110

Psychiatric literature, here, is suggesting it might BE religion's fault Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #112

Just another attempt to smear and get rid of religion. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #113

If you're going to speak on mental illness, isn't testimony of professional psychiatrists relevant? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #114

Yeah ok. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #115

For one thing, the not responsible defense is a defense, not a plea bargain. rug Mar 2014 #124

If one were to take the trouble okasha Mar 2014 #71

. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #72

When someone makes the claim that religion causes brain tumors and diabetes, you'll have a point cleanhippie Mar 2014 #74

Analogy has never been your strong suit. rug Mar 2014 #86

But not giving a crap what you think is. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #89

It's not unusual to disregard uncomfortable truths. rug Mar 2014 #90

I took the trouble to earn a degree in the subject... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #81

I donT think the Natioal Institute of Mental Health okasha Mar 2014 #84

I think anything worded as so amateurs can understand it is amateurish. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #85

Religionists here who keep claiming that skepticscott Mar 2014 #93

What bizarre logic. rug Mar 2014 #94

Interesting. Your post title okasha Mar 2014 #95

Beyond your vague general source, the professional articles we cited clearly disagree with you Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #102

As long as you're digging that hole, let me hand you a shovel: Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #116

Are you a practicing clinician? okasha Mar 2014 #123

Do you understand academic articles? You've COMPLETELY misread them Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #128

Are YOU? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #144

Translation: okasha Mar 2014 #147

Are the cases of religious filicide quoted in our cited psychological journal also anecdotal? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #153

"Religious delusion kills again." rug Mar 2014 #87

An idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted struggle4progress Mar 2014 #91

I am compelled by the evidence to agree. rug Mar 2014 #92

So when one professional psychologist after another links religion to mental illness,even as a cause Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #103

Here are the first few openly-available results for the search struggle4progress Mar 2014 #120

Even our most positive reports are indecisive. 1) The most pro-religion source is just an MA thesis? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #121

Your claim in #103 was "one professional psychologist after another links religion to mental illness struggle4progress Mar 2014 #122

Freud and many psychologists ... said religion is a delusion (Dr. Pierre, Jour. Psych. Prac. 2001?) Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #126

I think psychologists and psychiatrists are entitled to opinions, like everyone else struggle4progress Mar 2014 #135

Psychologists have opinions. But professional opinions expressed in refereed journals.... Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #139

Nonsense. Mental illness kills again; religion has nothing whatsoever to do with it. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #96

Very clearly stated. Unfortunately, we've cited Psychiatric lit which directly contradicts you Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #100

A delusion involving God, the bible, saints and demons is not a 'religious delusion'? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #117

Not only nonsense... cleanhippie Mar 2014 #118

You missed what he typed. I'll repeat it. rug Mar 2014 #125

We've cited many psychologists who say 1) "delusion" often takes religious form Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #127

Your appeal to authority, besides being a fallacy, is inaccurate. rug Mar 2014 #130

Vs. your bald appeal to your own authority, offering no proofs? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #138

Lol! You are quite entertaining. I'm glad you signed up. rug Mar 2014 #140

It is the dishonest circular argument Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #129

The common denominator is ALWAYS people johnlucas Mar 2014 #119

Tell you what skepticscott Mar 2014 #131

You know sports riots exist, right? johnlucas Mar 2014 #132

I'm sorry, did someone actually propose that by "shutting down religion," we could... trotsky Mar 2014 #133

Are the people participating in sports riots skepticscott Mar 2014 #134

My bottom line is made of bricks not straw. Sorry Big Bad Wolf. johnlucas Mar 2014 #136

Well done. Very well done. trotsky Mar 2014 #137

You're out of gas. Refuel by absorbing my words. johnlucas Mar 2014 #141

I think you are missing the point el_bryanto Mar 2014 #142

But here's the thing. You can't excise religion from humanity. johnlucas Mar 2014 #143

As are you, it seems. trotsky Mar 2014 #146

I don't need to refute your argument. trotsky Mar 2014 #145

That's not precisely what i said el_bryanto Mar 2014 #148

You precisely used the word "eliminate." trotsky Mar 2014 #149

Ah I see the difficulty - i'll revise my post el_bryanto Mar 2014 #150

Wow, you should probably express your disagreement with that person! n/t trotsky Mar 2014 #151

Now you're down to just babbling skepticscott Mar 2014 #152