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hrmjustin

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72. We are fools?

Reply to rock (Reply #61)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 04:10 PM

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5 reasons atheists shouldn’t call religion a mental illness [View all] cbayer Feb 2014 OP

as a jewish atheist, i disagree with their definition. belief in supernatural isn't necessary. unblock Feb 2014 #1

Even if one's religion includes the belief in something supernatural, cbayer Feb 2014 #4

i agree it's nothing but insulting. but i don't buy the well-being part of the defense unblock Feb 2014 #7

I agree with you unblock. cbayer Feb 2014 #9

At the least it is a puzzling mental condition randr Feb 2014 #2

I think "mental condition" could be interpreted as "disorder". cbayer Feb 2014 #3

In many ways religion and science gwheezie Feb 2014 #5

The lack of imagination is an interesting quandary. cbayer Feb 2014 #6

Even the most highly-evolved religion seems all too primitive: spirituality=belief in spirits Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #60

You could call that primitive or you could call that enlightened. cbayer Feb 2014 #63

Allegorical stories Goblinmonger Feb 2014 #64

Allegories do not all require "spirits," or ghosts, etc. But Biblical allegories often have these. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #69

Would you accept 'socially transmitted disease'? AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #13

Would you accept that is an ignorant statement? rug Feb 2014 #16

I guess that you don't agree with the author of this article, then. cbayer Feb 2014 #17

Well, not having an imaginary friend is actually the default position. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #18

Again you make statements which are both inflammatory and not supported by any data. cbayer Feb 2014 #22

If people are born with a belief in a diety Goblinmonger Feb 2014 #24

Oh, so people are born with an idea of a deity? AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #27

So people are born without any concept of a deity? cbayer Feb 2014 #30

I cannot find a single person who was born believing in AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #31

How exactly would you ask that question? cbayer Feb 2014 #34

I didn't say believing there is no deity is the default. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #41

I am neither unable to grasp what you are saying or intentionally deceptive. cbayer Feb 2014 #44

Then what you just said about Gravity is equally without basis. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #45

My goodness. Caps, profanity and bolding? You are getting pretty worked up here. cbayer Feb 2014 #47

I get pretty annoyed when people twist my words, and repeat the same thing over and over. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #49

That's as close as you will get to her admitting defeat. trotsky Feb 2014 #84

To some extent, culture - and as my old buddy Burroughs used to say, language - IS like a "virus" Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #58

A quote trotsky Feb 2014 #8

What connections? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #35

What difference does the hair dryer make? n/t trotsky Feb 2014 #38

Pardon? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #39

Read the quote in my post that you initially replied to. n/t trotsky Feb 2014 #42

Saying one is in dialog eith God does not mean that there is a booming voice from the sky. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #43

That would really help the credibility along though. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #46

Personally when I pray I feel close to God and I feel in dialog with God. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #48

That is, in my experience the more common claim. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #52

Says you. Other people believe differently. trotsky Feb 2014 #50

People who disagree with me are not mentally ill. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #51

Why would they need help from a doctor? trotsky Feb 2014 #53

Hearing voices is usually not a good sign. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #54

Not a good sign of what? n/t trotsky Feb 2014 #55

Unsually a mental issue. When believers say they hear the voice of God most don't hrmjustin Feb 2014 #56

But some do claim that. trotsky Feb 2014 #82

God does not physically talk to people. my reaction would be go see a doctor. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #87

Okey doke. trotsky Feb 2014 #89

I am not getting involved with your war with her. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #90

As I have told you before, I have no war with her. trotsky Feb 2014 #92

I'm curious how you know that. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #91

I take ut this way. if there is a God or Gods and they choose to communicate hrmjustin Feb 2014 #93

Fair enough. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #95

Your welcome. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #99

You might be getting tripped up on the word physical el_bryanto Feb 2014 #109

Interesting points hrmjustin Feb 2014 #110

I think that it's pretty damned clear that it isn't a mental disorder. longship Feb 2014 #10

The counter apocalypse! I like that. cbayer Feb 2014 #12

No, it's a long running gag between the four of them. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #14

Not my terminology. longship Feb 2014 #19

Self-effacing is not a term I would generally associate with this group, lol. cbayer Feb 2014 #23

If we look at religion through an evolutionary lens, we can understand why it's still around. cheyanne Feb 2014 #11

Welcome to the religion group, cheyanne. cbayer Feb 2014 #15

Thank you. cheyanne Feb 2014 #36

While religion has always played a critical role in politics, cbayer Feb 2014 #40

That's consistent with Buddhism as a non-theistic 'religion'. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #20

As to why these needs have lasted: cheyanne Feb 2014 #33

Ah, I was using the supernatural transcendence meaning. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #37

Yeah, transcendence has come down in the world, now it only cheyanne Feb 2014 #62

Definitely a good synopsis. longship Feb 2014 #21

"if a religious belief is proved wrong, then (religion) should change to accept it." trotsky Feb 2014 #25

That's a big part of why Buddhism as a Religion is a grey area. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #28

Agreed. trotsky Feb 2014 #29

Yes, I think religion still uses cohesiveness, using hate and fear cheyanne Feb 2014 #68

If someone believes that homosexuality is sinful, you bet I'm going to disparage that belief. trotsky Feb 2014 #83

no, not sorry, please cheyanne Feb 2014 #94

But you just said we shouldn't disparage anyone else's beliefs. trotsky Feb 2014 #96

I like the overall common sense approach of this. pinto Feb 2014 #26

I agree. It's really a weak argument whenever it is made and similar, imo, cbayer Feb 2014 #32

The author Chris Steadman apparently calls himself a "faithiest"; likely he is not an atheist Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #57

He is a faitheist like a man can be a feminist. cbayer Feb 2014 #65

Great article! Jim__ Feb 2014 #59

Agree. I have been making this point for awhile, but he did it so much better than cbayer Feb 2014 #66

of course that is your rewording of the claim made here that some religious beliefs are delusional. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #106

It's true the religious are not necessarily mentally ill rock Feb 2014 #61

So, it's your position that all people of faith are fools? cbayer Feb 2014 #67

The Bible told us that one "day," we will find that our highest holy men, noble people, were "fools" Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #70

The bible makes lots of mistakes. cbayer Feb 2014 #71

Those who "walk by faith" are "far" or "away from God" (2 Corin. 5.7) Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #74

Knowing that one might be foolish at times is a very positive trait, but not at all cbayer Feb 2014 #78

Or: "All have sinned" (Rom. 3.23?) probably implied that all of us have foolish delusions Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #97

You are equating having sinned with a foolish delusion? cbayer Feb 2014 #98

Some preachers say those who sin, do so partly out of confusion; delusions. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #108

Who says that? cbayer Feb 2014 #114

No, what it does say though is that all people who don't believe in god are fools. trotsky Feb 2014 #85

The bible has errors in it. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #73

If you know that, possibly not. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #75

We are fools? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #72

Religion is just FUD for profit. tridim Feb 2014 #76

Oh, malarkey. Making broad brush statements about a vastly diverse think cbayer Feb 2014 #79

Thanks for your opinion on the matter. tridim Feb 2014 #80

as you well know, I agree that religious belief is delusional.... mike_c Feb 2014 #77

And as you know, I think you are completely wrong, cbayer Feb 2014 #81

Nice insults, cbayer. trotsky Feb 2014 #86

You'd almost think she was skepticscott Feb 2014 #88

Another academic source, on correlating religion and mental health/illness Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #101

Doing a quick search: here's a first article that might link religion with mental illness Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #100

It doesn't say anything like that at all. cbayer Feb 2014 #113

Here's a bunch of articles that seem to say religion causes mental illness? Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #102

It doesn't say anything like that at all. cbayer Feb 2014 #112

This study apparently suggests WOMEN profit from Religion - but not MEN, in mental health Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #103

I really question your ability to evaluate data at this point. cbayer Feb 2014 #111

Interesting Article Gothmog Feb 2014 #104

It would be considered a mental disorder... MellowDem Feb 2014 #105

Excellent point. Religions encourage group coherence - but often around false ideas. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #107