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Kind of Blue

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47. Saying that heaven05 was harsh, to me, is another form of promoting fragility/comfort
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 10:05 PM
Sep 2016

and not that our tone/method "Might" change hearts and minds. How has that worked out for us living in what is the greatest amount of recorded killings, among other injustices, since the Jim Crow era and polite protests of the '50s, '60s and before?

There's so much written about this that I'm doing an injustice in trying to explain that, to me, heaven05 posed the right questions at the right time. Had to read up on my contradictory feelings - raised to be polite/nice and balance that with rage. I've posed the same responses many times in public and privately when I'm told/hear or read "move on," "get over it," and "negroes have made such progress" that I think of as polite racism.

You say "shooting to kill isn't always necessary." Wow, talk about harsh. Did heaven05 shoot to kill after saying, "I asked quietly...?" Many of us, depending on the situation, are shedding thinking of white reaction first before we act. And I say heaven05 reacted from an informed space. Jeeze, remember BLM's tactic that changed the focus of this election season was not by saying, D'uh, Uh, kindly excuse me but...

I say heaven05's tactic is a form of education. If later, like you say, "better not talk like that out loud" is said among friends then YAY, that's a step in the right direction, too. It's teaching them it is not polite to say such things in 2016. But whether or not heaven05's method changed hearts and minds, is not up to her(?) to determine. If they miss the content of "quietly" posing food for thought then that is on them. I say this because while information to change hearts and minds comes from outside of us, doing so is an individual process that none of us have access to. I say this also because you stated, "If he," Sen. Bryd, "could do that, then I think people like this couple could do it as well, given the chance."

What chance? Who's to determine the chance if we're to first act on a possible but highly improbable favorable white reaction? Do you know why Sen. Bryd changed his mind? If not, it was not because he was simply educated about racism. It was because he was finally able to put himself in our shoes. Who would think that it was mainly the event of his grandson's death that turned him around? Who's to say what event in anyone's life can cause this kind of evolution? The comfort of the bigot or passive bigot, and the chance they might change, cannot be our first concern.

The point is that being confrontational is a valid strategy in our arsenal. I cannot sit back in judgement on heaven05's situation that I did not witness because "educating" comes in many forms.
The time has long passed when Dr. King said freedom comes through "persistent agitation," and longer still when Frederick Douglas said, "Those who favor freedom without agitation want crops without plowing." Surely they educated in ways that are preferrable to you but agitation that's been in practice forever is a form of change, as well.

Harsh or not, polite or not, "educating" or not, we know supremacy deals in death and it would be so cool when people stop talking about our tone/method that we all know is a deflection from atrocities.





I would like to share this ebbie15644 Aug 2016 #1
Years and years of programming by media and even schools, some of it subtle and some not so subtle, brush Aug 2016 #7
Me too OneGrassRoot Sep 2016 #46
Me too mitch96 Sep 2016 #53
things are improving, but is there time? pretzel4gore Aug 2016 #2
we as human beings heaven05 Aug 2016 #5
Intra-tribal warfare should never be an excuse awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #3
true heaven05 Aug 2016 #4
Full disclosure awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #6
Well, if they were old, cut them a little slack Warpy Aug 2016 #8
The OP is your JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #14
As a "victim" of the things you mention, I agree that things HAVE jaysunb Aug 2016 #15
Understood Warpy Aug 2016 #18
I attended BU in the early 70's heaven05 Aug 2016 #40
Southie was truly horrible Warpy Aug 2016 #43
maybe we did cross paths heaven05 Aug 2016 #44
FYI, "persons of non-color" is probably more appropriate. MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #9
so a racist is a "person of non-color" heaven05 Aug 2016 #10
He's a disruptor JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #13
Just because I don't accept your labels of people doesn't make me a disruptor. MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #21
Nothing wrong with being called a "black person". brush Aug 2016 #27
++1000 heaven05 Aug 2016 #32
This was posted to you... sheshe2 Nov 2016 #60
I saw that heaven05 Nov 2016 #61
She is filled with awesome! JustAnotherGen Nov 2016 #62
"Person of non-color" is a label as well. LanternWaste Aug 2016 #28
Where did I write any of that? JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #29
you can reject until the cows come home heaven05 Aug 2016 #31
tee hee JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #45
If you can't be respectful Coolest Ranger Sep 2016 #59
yeah, I see heaven05 Aug 2016 #42
... sheshe2 Aug 2016 #11
*sigh* JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #12
What specifically leads you to allege "persons of non-color" is more appropriate? LanternWaste Aug 2016 #17
My coworker asked me to stop calling him white. He's right, it's an unecessary label. MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #20
Do you habitually reach conclusions based wholly on one subjective anecdote? LanternWaste Aug 2016 #23
So you want to call me "black." I get it. nt MadDAsHell Aug 2016 #25
Your may make as many conveniently inaccurate inference as you desire. LanternWaste Aug 2016 #26
No, it's not. But you can call me Ray... fleabiscuit Sep 2016 #48
Great post heaven05 lovemydog Aug 2016 #16
thank you heaven05 Aug 2016 #33
It is inbred just look at the picture and tell me if their kids are not now racists. vinny9698 Aug 2016 #19
ummmmm +1000 and heaven05 Aug 2016 #34
I've only been assaulted once in my life. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #35
They don't want to give up their place in line! They think they're going to be first MADem Aug 2016 #22
I'm sorry for your anxiety. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #24
in my experience with racist immigrants heaven05 Aug 2016 #36
I don't know about that. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #37
I think you were too harsh. I don't know how these two came across to you.... Moonwalk Aug 2016 #30
it is possible what you feel about my response heaven05 Aug 2016 #38
I didn't say that your anger was misplaced. In fact, I believe I said that it made perfect sense.... Moonwalk Aug 2016 #39
didn't mean for you to try to 'mindread' me heaven05 Aug 2016 #41
Saying that heaven05 was harsh, to me, is another form of promoting fragility/comfort Kind of Blue Sep 2016 #47
Very well said JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #49
Thanks, JAG. Kind of Blue Sep 2016 #55
thank you heaven05 Sep 2016 #56
Aww, man. It is my pleasure and honor to support your courage! Kind of Blue Sep 2016 #57
White people need to educate themselves, at least in my opinion ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #52
K&R ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #50
Recommended and well written. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #51
fear. fear of change. fear of other WhiteTara Sep 2016 #54
thank you so much for Coolest Ranger Sep 2016 #58
What a foreshadowing post heaven05... Nt Quayblue Nov 2016 #63
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