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In reply to the discussion: Why U.S. Gun Sales Are Shooting For The Moon [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)41. how does any of this follow?
I have lived in and been to more countries than most Americans have been in states. the "they laugh at us for our guns" is pure crap.
Those European "sane" gun laws? They came about after the first world war when governments saw leftist revolutions in Germany and Russia that made OWC look like a kid's tea party. Had nothing to do with crime (even with Vermont like gun laws, the murder rate was as low as now), making a better civil society or any of that other bullshit.
Raymond G. Kessler, a lawyer-sociologist who has provided some of the most sociologically sophisticated insights into the gun control issue, suggests in a Law and Policy Quarterly gun laws are fundamentally conservative or reactionary, having in times and places served a variety of conservative political functions beyond simple crime control. They " 1) increase citizen reliance on government and tolerance of increased police powers and abuse; (2) help prevent opposition to the government; (3) facilitate repressive action by government and its allies; (4) lesson the pressure for major or radical reform; and (5) can be selectively enforced against those perceived to be a threat to government."
You mean read Crooks and Liars and Media Matters (free republic left, read the comments there is no difference) where Bush's list went from being a random list of names to a roster of real terrorists? Who write dishonest scribblings about Al Qaida being able to buy machine guns at gun shows and Wal Mart without having to jump through NFA hoops? Sorry, the truth is the truth regardless of where it comes from. I frankly find it bazzare how one can claim to be progressive and part of the "reality based" community while tolerating such dishonesty and hypocrisy.
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The "guns are evil death spewers" rhetoric has lost. It is a bankrupt stance with nothing to offer.
aikoaiko
Jan 2012
#3
Still beating that militia horse I see. That battle is lost - time to move on. nt
hack89
Jan 2012
#30
Most of the US population disagrees with you as well - you have no choice but to live with that. nt
hack89
Jan 2012
#42
Safer? Not because of more guns. Besides, if you are safer, why do you want more guns?
Hoyt
Jan 2012
#55
We also have historically low levels of violent crime - you have never been safer
hack89
Jan 2012
#29
When it involves guns in public parks, churches, restaurants, government buildings, etc.
Hoyt
Jan 2012
#46
More guns is a RW position. More guns have not caused gun crimes to decline. Give us a break.
Hoyt
Jan 2012
#54
Are you the appointed arbiter of determining "cheerleading far right issues and politicians"?
PavePusher
Jan 2012
#32