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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
41. how does any of this follow?
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 01:37 AM
Jan 2012

I have lived in and been to more countries than most Americans have been in states. the "they laugh at us for our guns" is pure crap.
Those European "sane" gun laws? They came about after the first world war when governments saw leftist revolutions in Germany and Russia that made OWC look like a kid's tea party. Had nothing to do with crime (even with Vermont like gun laws, the murder rate was as low as now), making a better civil society or any of that other bullshit.

Raymond G. Kessler, a lawyer-sociologist who has provided some of the most sociologically sophisticated insights into the gun control issue, suggests in a Law and Policy Quarterly gun laws are fundamentally conservative or reactionary, having in times and places served a variety of conservative political functions beyond simple crime control. They &quot 1) increase citizen reliance on government and tolerance of increased police powers and abuse; (2) help prevent opposition to the government; (3) facilitate repressive action by government and its allies; (4) lesson the pressure for major or radical reform; and (5) can be selectively enforced against those perceived to be a threat to government."


You mean read Crooks and Liars and Media Matters (free republic left, read the comments there is no difference) where Bush's list went from being a random list of names to a roster of real terrorists? Who write dishonest scribblings about Al Qaida being able to buy machine guns at gun shows and Wal Mart without having to jump through NFA hoops? Sorry, the truth is the truth regardless of where it comes from. I frankly find it bazzare how one can claim to be progressive and part of the "reality based" community while tolerating such dishonesty and hypocrisy.

People are learning shooting sports are a fun family activity. ileus Jan 2012 #1
I have been running into "Prepers" lately ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2012 #2
What is a "preper?" Not familiar with the term. montanto Jan 2012 #4
"Preppers" is kind of a new group - as in being "prep"ared DonP Jan 2012 #6
Ah, I see. montanto Jan 2012 #9
Most of us are, to one degree or another DonP Jan 2012 #10
And now we have Doomsday Preppers on NG MicaelS Jan 2012 #49
I thought he meant "prepster" aikoaiko Jan 2012 #14
They are called "Young Republicans." Hoyt Jan 2012 #43
Is that "preppers"? nt rrneck Jan 2012 #5
My spell checker did not like it either way ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2012 #13
I'm a Prepper, she's a Prepper, he's a Prepper, we're all Preppers... BiggJawn Jan 2012 #12
Alladin lights are great DonP Jan 2012 #15
What is this device? X_Digger Jan 2012 #16
Similar concept.... PavePusher Jan 2012 #18
Ahh, an oil lamp. X_Digger Jan 2012 #19
Yep. We used 'em a lot in rural New England. PavePusher Jan 2012 #22
A Kerosene lantern with a mantle DonP Jan 2012 #20
My mom still has the oil lamps my great grandmother used. X_Digger Jan 2012 #21
They're practrical for me DonP Jan 2012 #23
Might have to check em out. X_Digger Jan 2012 #24
Alladin's are very quiet too, none of that loud "hissing" you get with Coleman's DonP Jan 2012 #25
About as bright as a 40W bulb. BiggJawn Jan 2012 #36
I have 3 "engine lights" that graced the front of steam engines oneshooter Jan 2012 #27
Nice! X_Digger Jan 2012 #37
Well, not in Dublin, TX anymore. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #47
The "guns are evil death spewers" rhetoric has lost. It is a bankrupt stance with nothing to offer. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #3
Gun ownwers not fooled. E6-B Jan 2012 #11
I did like the part where they called Caroline Brewer burf Jan 2012 #7
They can just defer to several posters here DonP Jan 2012 #8
Maybe it's just people have money again, and don't need another Ipad. ileus Jan 2012 #17
For the same reason we have record poverty, bogus elections, Doctor_J Jan 2012 #26
+1000 ellisonz Jan 2012 #28
Still beating that militia horse I see. That battle is lost - time to move on. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #30
Damn right. It's the truth... ellisonz Jan 2012 #31
Unfortunately history disagrees with you. hack89 Jan 2012 #34
Right-wing Supreme Court Justices disagree with me... ellisonz Jan 2012 #39
Most of the US population disagrees with you as well - you have no choice but to live with that. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #42
Not true. Population needs to understand what is going on with guns in public. Hoyt Jan 2012 #45
In this case, "understand" = "agree with me about" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #50
They do understand that they have never been safer hack89 Jan 2012 #53
Safer? Not because of more guns. Besides, if you are safer, why do you want more guns? Hoyt Jan 2012 #55
I like guns because they are fun. hack89 Jan 2012 #56
even though she's wrong the militia is still made up of the people. ileus Jan 2012 #33
he* ellisonz Jan 2012 #40
Who are 'the people'? X_Digger Jan 2012 #38
We also have historically low levels of violent crime - you have never been safer hack89 Jan 2012 #29
When it involves guns in public parks, churches, restaurants, government buildings, etc. Hoyt Jan 2012 #46
So lower levels of gun violence is a RW position? nt hack89 Jan 2012 #52
More guns is a RW position. More guns have not caused gun crimes to decline. Give us a break. Hoyt Jan 2012 #54
But more guns have not decreased your safety so what's the big deal? hack89 Jan 2012 #57
Are you the appointed arbiter of determining "cheerleading far right issues and politicians"? PavePusher Jan 2012 #32
What is this? BiggJawn Jan 2012 #35
how does any of this follow? gejohnston Jan 2012 #41
Yep. Hoyt Jan 2012 #44
Unfortunately, your views are rather high-strung... SteveW Jan 2012 #48
"No true Scotsman", eh? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #51
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