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dballance

(5,756 posts)
40. Sorry, NO. Quill Pens Have Nothing to do w/ Free Speech
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:30 AM
Dec 2012

It is a ridiculous analogy.

One can stand on the corner, or in the town square and exercise free speech. No quill pen, no printing press required. The 1st Amendment doesn't say anything about the instruments of free speech.

The 2nd Amendment, on the other hand, specifically calls out the right to bear arms as part of a militia, not as an individual.

Here's what Bork had to say :


"I'm not an expert on the Second Amendment, but its intent was to guarantee the right of states to
form militia, not for individuals to bear arms." In the same lecture, he added that "assault weapons
could be banned under the Constitution," and that other restrictions on guns were constitutional.

In 1991, he went at the gun rights' lobby: "The National Rifle Association is always arguing that
the Second Amendment determines the right to bear arms. But I think it really is people's right to
bear arms in a militia. The NRA thinks that it protects their right to have Teflon-coated bullets.
But that's not the original understanding."

"The Second Amendment was designed to allow states to defend themselves against a possibly
tyrannical national government. Now that the federal government has stealth bombers and nuclear
weapons, it is hard to imagine what people would need to keep in the garage to serve that purpose."


Bork was actually being an honest, true conservative in his opinion and doing his best to interpret the Constitution as it was intended.

K&R MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #1
Exactly right. Gold Rush Dec 2012 #2
Our military doesn't use lead much any more...they prefer depleted Uranium. Nobody seems to care pop topcan Dec 2012 #4
SAFE BULLETS VERSUS KILL BULLETS ROBROX Dec 2012 #16
I realize you meant to be snarky but gejohnston Dec 2012 #20
You do realize the D.U. slugs pollute for 10ks of years right? Small detail. Katashi_itto Dec 2012 #25
Times change muse03 Dec 2012 #3
and had to ride horses from town to town. libdem4life Dec 2012 #5
I wouldn't have a problem with the 1st Amendment if we still had quill pens... pop topcan Dec 2012 #6
Yeah, because speaking your mind thucythucy Dec 2012 #7
How do you feel about hate speech inciting others to violence and murder? Surely you don't think pop topcan Dec 2012 #14
How do you feel about 2nd amendment access allowing violence and murder? Surely you don't think Gold Rush Dec 2012 #15
Sure, hate speech exists and it's a problem thucythucy Dec 2012 #19
How exactly is your comment on topic or relevant? dballance Dec 2012 #9
It is a precisely equivalent analogy. It's the old fuss over whose ox is being gored. pop topcan Dec 2012 #13
Sorry, NO. Quill Pens Have Nothing to do w/ Free Speech dballance Dec 2012 #40
Bork is wrong again gejohnston Dec 2012 #41
So what is your problem with it? Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #21
Well said! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #38
Congress has all the authority it needs for the militia in Article I, Section 8, clauses 15 & 16. jody Dec 2012 #8
Theoretical and Applied always a huge variance in the two. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #10
If only Paul Revere had email or a cell phone. libdem4life Dec 2012 #11
AFAIK, gejohnston Dec 2012 #12
What other nations have seemingly monthly/weekly Gold Rush Dec 2012 #17
key word is seemingly gejohnston Dec 2012 #22
"the kids are just as dead" Gold Rush Dec 2012 #26
two things, gejohnston Dec 2012 #28
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #29
Skinner can tell me himself gejohnston Dec 2012 #33
Could you please tell me what the alphabet soup you refer to? Should I be insulted? I'm a newbie. libdem4life Dec 2012 #18
as far as I know gejohnston Dec 2012 #23
Naw, my new. Thanks. libdem4life Dec 2012 #30
AFAIK = As Far As I Know Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #24
And you, GMAB. Give me a break. libdem4life Dec 2012 #31
Sorry! Didn't mean to be rude, but nice response. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #32
Thanks. I'm an old canine learning new tricks. :) libdem4life Dec 2012 #34
Me too. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #35
That is one interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, of which there are many randr Dec 2012 #27
Our all mighty military has faced a rocky road in Iraq and Afghanistan. spin Dec 2012 #42
You don't have to actually kill or destroy much to prevail. Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #43
If it "became" twisted, it was extremely early on. David__77 Dec 2012 #36
Yes, I agree Tumbulu Dec 2012 #37
It was a lot of things. England put right to bear arms in its Bill of Rights a century earlier. eallen Dec 2012 #39
Small Arms vs. Police and Military Forces ralfy Dec 2012 #44
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