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Gun Control & RKBA

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gejohnston

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:06 AM Dec 2012

changes I think we should make [View all]

Last edited Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:25 AM - Edit history (1)

here are my proposals:
---Cops should have the same as us. They shouldn't have tanks and machine guns.
Military can keep their stuff
-----each state develop a mechanism for private sellers to know who are doing business with, with incentives for complying and disincentives for not. Michigan's "clean bill of health" from the cops is a good example
---For ammo capacity, I would go with Bill Ruger's 15. OK, ten for rifles and leave pistols out of it. Have the government buy shit loads of ten or 15 rounders. Each 30 round mag you bring in during the grace period to the cops, post office, participating gun dealers, you get two legal mags plus 50 bucks. The mall ninja drums become NFA AOW, like pistol forward grips.
---Pistol magazines should be extend past the butt of the grip. Pistols with magazine wells that are not in the grip, should be limited to whatever is common in Olympic/ISSF. One exception would be antiques like the Mauser C-96 and other curio and relics.
-----Since we have an 11 percent tax on guns and ammo as it is, add another four percent. Keep the first 11 percent going to Pitmann Roberston environmental projects (losing it is a deal breaker, I would tell Brady and NRA to fuck off) and use the extra four percent on guns, ammo, accessories, and video games toward public mental health. For the mental health, we should tax more stuff. Move Tile 2 transference taxes from general fund to mental health and Pittman Roberston as well.
---Regulate silencers like France, Norway, Finland, and New Zealand does.
---Revise NFA SBR restrictions to be more "common sense." I have no details, but regulating a single shot rifle with a 15 inch barrel the same as a machine gun is not "common sense."
---Repeal the Hughes Amendment
---The Lautenberg Amendment prohibits gun possession by those convicted of domestic violence. To that life time ban, I would also include juvenile convections of animal cruelty. For other violent misdemeanors, five years.

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changes I think we should make [View all] gejohnston Dec 2012 OP
I'm guessing you mean pistol mags should not extend past the butt? petronius Dec 2012 #1
yes, butt. gejohnston Dec 2012 #2
Sorry, that wasn't spelling snark (really!) - I think there's a word or two petronius Dec 2012 #3
How about we meet you halfway....15's for rifles. ileus Dec 2012 #4
why does anything need to be grandfathered in if it could be dangerous to public safety? CTyankee Dec 2012 #7
the fifth amendment for one reason gejohnston Dec 2012 #8
Tell me about the Canadian experience. What happened to those machine guns? CTyankee Dec 2012 #9
they started registering them in 1952 gejohnston Dec 2012 #13
so the analogy doesn't fit our situation. It wasn't as massive a problem. CTyankee Dec 2012 #14
I don't think any analogy works with this situation gejohnston Dec 2012 #15
Oh, I think the sheer number of guns has everything to do with it. The more guns there CTyankee Dec 2012 #16
there is a logical fallicy for that gejohnston Dec 2012 #17
If this is statistically correct, then two things: WY and MT have a lot fewer people and CTyankee Dec 2012 #18
there was a map that was posted gejohnston Dec 2012 #21
Interesting stuff. thanks for posting this. I didn't know that much about WY. CTyankee Dec 2012 #23
don't we ban pesticides now that we didn't before? If something is found to be inimical CTyankee Dec 2012 #10
None of those things are named in the Bill of Rights. jeepnstein Dec 2012 #11
doesn't it depend on what you are grandfathering in? It doesn't mean ALL guns or CTyankee Dec 2012 #12
2nd is limited. jeepnstein Dec 2012 #19
well, I don't think it is a "collective punishment against all citizens" when you consider my CTyankee Dec 2012 #20
We're going in circles here. jeepnstein Dec 2012 #22
FIne. Let citizens have their muskets. Just what the founders had in mind, right? CTyankee Dec 2012 #24
Ahem: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #25
thanks. Is it all clear now, folks? CTyankee Dec 2012 #26
The historical answer has been to *widen* applicability of rights, not narrow them. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #27
I'll tell you what I don't like. I don't like children being blown away by someone who CTyankee Dec 2012 #28
I don't like that, either. I also don't like the Westboro Baptist Church assholes. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #29
and while we are at it, why does the precious Second have a qualifying clause? CTyankee Dec 2012 #31
all I can say is gejohnston Dec 2012 #33
very few people in Somalia own guns gejohnston Dec 2012 #30
I don't care if they own them or not. It's the state of terror to which I refer. CTyankee Dec 2012 #32
I'm not being smug but gejohnston Dec 2012 #34
Tell the parents of those children in practically all white, gentrified Sandy Hook, CT... CTyankee Dec 2012 #35
statistical fact gejohnston Dec 2012 #36
geographical fiction on your part. "gang-infested"? Newtown? CTyankee Dec 2012 #37
I said day to day gejohnston Dec 2012 #38
It's a little late for the OP offering changes. There have been good ideas around for a long CTyankee Dec 2012 #39
your side had simple answers, not solutions gejohnston Dec 2012 #40
Well, that's a matter of opinion. Plenty of countries have such "simple answers" and CTyankee Dec 2012 #41
both of those were rare one time events gejohnston Dec 2012 #42
Let's stick to Scotland. Please don't get off subject. CTyankee Dec 2012 #43
post hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston Dec 2012 #44
I wonder why. CTyankee Dec 2012 #45
Citizens should be able to own... jeepnstein Dec 2012 #5
I don't think this is going to help with mass shootings. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #6
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