Gun Control & RKBA

GreenStormCloud

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14. Take a look at Texas CHL statistics.

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:50 PM

Dec 2012

Texas publishes the stats online: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/index.htm#

We have over 500,000 people with CHLs. (Concealed Handgun License) Of that half million, only about one a year is convicted for murder. Our conviction rate for any violent crime is far below that of the general population.

This year I have posted several news stories of CHLers who have used their guns in self-defense. Texas averages about 50 justified homicides per year. So there you have proof that CHLers are saving more lives (Mostly their own or family members.) that the one that is wrongfully taken. You desire to stop the carrying of guns by selected citizens would result in greater deaths. Violent crime is a reality, and self-defense is a natural right. So having effective tools of self-defense is also a right. The most effective tool is a gun.

Any adult with a clean record should be able to own a gun, and with training in self-defense law and gun safety should be able to carry one, concealed or open.

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My point of view on the RKBA or where I stand. This OP is not intended to start a fight but if it [View all] upaloopa Dec 2012 OP

Good to read some thoughtful criticism. If you had your druthers, Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #1

I think there is a right to ownership and self defence upaloopa Dec 2012 #9

Take a look at Texas CHL statistics. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #14

I like to think I'm in the middle of this issue, Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #20

re: Disqualifications discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #21

What law would you add to federal law? Thats the only avenue to control firearms in all states. jody Dec 2012 #2

I think we need a long discussions in this country upaloopa Dec 2012 #4

After browsing DU threads on RKBA, I will be surprised if you find any significant aspect missing. jody Dec 2012 #8

You say you want insight and discussion Jenoch Dec 2012 #24

I guess I'm not making my point clear upaloopa Dec 2012 #32

It's not a 'gun culture' that leads to violence. Jenoch Dec 2012 #34

I think we have been having a long discussion in this country .... oldhippie Dec 2012 #28

In defining your "middle ground," please consider the "extremes" may not be... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #3

I agree with that upaloopa Dec 2012 #6

Let's see if I get this right gejohnston Dec 2012 #5

I am not sure. I feel we are not moving in the right upaloopa Dec 2012 #7

Thank you for your post. It alters my image of you. slackmaster Dec 2012 #10

Fine by me I don't feel good after the fights upaloopa Dec 2012 #11

Alright drop the gloves sarisataka Dec 2012 #12

Your feelings are perfectly justified. rrneck Dec 2012 #13

There is a reason humans have feelings. They are similar to the upaloopa Dec 2012 #15

Until this thread, I haven't seen you debate or discuss. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #16

I don't claim to be perfect and I don't always accept upaloopa Dec 2012 #18

While nearly rendered obsolete by the majestic mediocrity of the InnerTube, Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #25

I'm going to take some time to read and re-read your post upaloopa Dec 2012 #27

A serious question for you. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #17

It had nothing to do with morals. One time I came home upaloopa Dec 2012 #19

I believe your OP is an honest attempt to engage and hopefully you will accept my comments. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #22

+1 Remmah2 Dec 2012 #23

The problem with all gun control is- it is the legal guns in the street that stop effective control graham4anything Dec 2012 #26

Incrementalism is not compromise.. SQUEE Dec 2012 #29

Abortion and guns are equal in the constitution graham4anything Dec 2012 #30

There was this guy.. SQUEE Dec 2012 #31

Which number is the abortion amendment? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #33

You cannot use or possess guns 24/7/365 anywhere,anytime in all 50 states either. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #36

I think you're overly optimistic about what Mike can accomplish aikoaiko Dec 2012 #35