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In reply to the discussion: Media Ignores Call For Gun Violence Prevention In Loughner Sentencing Hearing [View all]PavePusher
(15,374 posts)93. And another non-factual claim:
If shoot first laws worked, there would be a decrease in victims of crime, with a matching increase in criminals being shot. That hasn't been the case.
That is actually exactly what's been happening. According to government crime stats, crime rates are falling. According to the Florida stats, justifiable homocides have gone up. Oddly, some people claim these are cases that should be considered murder (while citing no evidence).
Those laws are designed so that there can be NO wrongful death law suits and to make it far far harder to convict someone of homicide.
Umm, no, not the case at all. Your understanding of these laws is abysmal... unless you can cite to the portions of some of them that do as you claim...
...but that doesn't deter the NRA -- MORE GUNS SALES.
Perhaps you can cite to anywhere that the NRA endorses selling guns to felons. But I doubt it. They do plenty of hinky things without having to make up complete falsehoods. You can do better.
I don't see anyone refuting my assertion that Walmart has a LOT of shootings, which demonstrates that carry laws pushed by the NRA has endangered people in public venues.
You didn't demonstrate what number of those are commited unlawfully by permit holders, which is the insinuation of criminality you are attempting to make. Looks to me like there are a lot of Walmarts, they are a target (irony) of criminals (for a variety of reasons) and that is all you have asserted.
In short, you've got nothing. Good luck with that.
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Media Ignores Call For Gun Violence Prevention In Loughner Sentencing Hearing [View all]
SecularMotion
Nov 2012
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Loughner is a Mental Case and a call to our Nation to implement a liberal National Healthcare Policy
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2012
#2
Shit, my deer gun is termed by the Military as a Battle Rifle. Order of magnitude more powerful
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2012
#62
So just who the fuck are you to pass judgements on other Democrats?
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2012
#81
So why do you think those who support more gun restrictions are failing so miserably?
aikoaiko
Nov 2012
#4
NRA expenditures for an example - perhaps you should be doing more research?
Dog Gone at Penigma
Nov 2012
#9
Actually, you need to read for content and understand the law better
ProgressiveProfessor
Nov 2012
#14
It says that the poster is clueless about the law and structure of these things
ProgressiveProfessor
Nov 2012
#80
Other than the position and standing from a long list of candidates
fightthegoodfightnow
Nov 2012
#84
If by myth, to claim that any effect they have is grossly exaggerated - YES
Dog Gone at Penigma
Nov 2012
#16
Then to what do you attribute the almost non-existence expansion of gun control laws?
aikoaiko
Nov 2012
#18
That question will not be answered by your interlocutor. Bet on it...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2012
#32
"Grass roots groups?" That's the trouble with the gun-control outlook: It isn't grassroots...
Eleanors38
Nov 2012
#22
NRA failure successfully to affect outcome of election, despite spending money
Dog Gone at Penigma
Nov 2012
#11
Rove AND the NRA BOTH had extremely poor returns --- and in the cas of the NRA, it's not new
Dog Gone at Penigma
Nov 2012
#17
I could with equal validity claim *this* guy is "representative of gun owners"
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2012
#40
The NRA is one of the core founding groups of ALEC, gun control popularity
Dog Gone at Penigma
Nov 2012
#15
English Castle Doctrine includes a VERY strong duty to retreat, always has
Dog Gone at Penigma
Nov 2012
#35
On what screwed up, backward planet is self-defense equated to law enforcement?
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2012
#60
They've demonstrated yet again gun control advocacy is religious in nature.
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2012
#74
Actually the details matter, and you are are yet to get many of them correct
ProgressiveProfessor
Nov 2012
#79
Frank Luntz, as in "Words That Work: It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear"?
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2012
#34
There is no broad bipartisan support for gun control, not much grass roots support for it either
ProgressiveProfessor
Nov 2012
#91