Gun Control & RKBA

MicaelS

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29. It's a term used in a DELIBERATELY pejorative manner

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 10:45 AM

Jan 2012

Last edited Sat Jan 7, 2012, 11:15 AM - Edit history (1)

To disparage those exercising, or attempting their Right to Bear Arms.

"Tote" and "toter" started being used by a certain member to express that member's absolute contempt for anyone who legally carries a concealed weapon.

Just like the term "Militant" is used in a deliberately pejorative manner on both the Left and the Right to disparage those seeking to exercise their Freedoms.

"Gun Militant" is another term used by certain members to express their contempt for those who try to exercise and expand the RKBA.

"Militant" or "Militants" is used by Right Wingers in connection with the terms "Free Speech", "Atheist", "Homosexual", "Abortion", "Feminist" to disparage those seeking to exercise their Freedoms.

Since you are not a new member and have debated others on the issue of the RKBA before, your original post is deliberately disingenuous.

You want to use a term? Use "CCW". That is a simple shorthand everyone knows what you're speaking of.

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OK everyone, let's clear the air here about the word "tote" [View all] Starboard Tack Jan 2012 OP

How about the word "grab" or "grabber"? Common Sense Party Jan 2012 #1

Huh? Since when did grab mean tote? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #3

Huh? When did I say it did? Common Sense Party Jan 2012 #4

Why wouldn't I be? What does it have to do with the OP? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #5

I think the word 'tote' has a negative connotation: like 'lug', petronius Jan 2012 #2

I see no negative connotation with the word "tote" Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #6

You asked a question, and I answered it. And despite your transparent disingenuousness petronius Jan 2012 #7

If you can demonstrate how the word is, in any way, offensive, I shall be happy to defer Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #8

Again: you asked a question, I assumed you were sincere, so I answered it petronius Jan 2012 #9

There is a poster here who has repeatedly linked the word to a variety of negative conotations.... PavePusher Jan 2012 #42

No, sorry. Toter is a word used by many toters. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #46

No, "toter" is a word used by the anti-gun folks. ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #55

"It is used by Hoyt as a slur" iverglas Jan 2012 #64

Educate yourself on Hoyt and "toter" by ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #79

read what I said and reply to it iverglas Jan 2012 #91

What part has left you confused? ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #103

You are arguing with the Jello. Don't waste your time. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #164

Really? Better tell these guys. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #70

I have never heard one person who has a concealed weapons permit... spin Jan 2012 #68

I'm relieved that it doesn't bother you Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #71

I have never heard of either company... spin Jan 2012 #120

Does the fact you haven't heard of them invalidate them in some way? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #127

No as I said the term "toter" doesn't bother me in the least... spin Jan 2012 #135

Now cops in Fla. are using armed citizens as backups? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #194

Did you read the entire post? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #195

Lighten up there WHAP Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #198

It would be easier... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #199

Ah, but not on a Monday morning. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #200

I'm sure this was a rare incident in a small town... spin Jan 2012 #196

I know. Just couldn't help myself. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #197

I once witnessed an accident... spin Jan 2012 #201

and the N word is a word used by many N people. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #192

Enjoy your experience on DU Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #193

I was simply pointing out that just because some people use a word without rancor, does not mean Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #202

Really? And who would "N" people be? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #203

I'm plumb tuckered out from totin' my shootin' iron all over tarnation. Straw Man Jan 2012 #10

I think the majority of DUers have a much harsher view of people who carry/tote/strap-on, etc. Hoyt Jan 2012 #34

Do you have any proof to back up your "suspicions"? Common Sense Party Jan 2012 #35

Yes. Hoyt Jan 2012 #44

So, no. Got it. Common Sense Party Jan 2012 #63

You took an off ramp by mistak there dude. Jump back on at the next exit. nt rrneck Jan 2012 #37

good lord Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #62

Not a myth at all. Hoyt Jan 2012 #84

if you say so -- -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #94

Hoyt - you are absolutely correct. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #75

I stumbled in here as well and was disappointed to see folks promoting more guns. Hoyt Jan 2012 #88

wtf Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #96

I said that I wish more Democrats like Starboard Tack posted about would come here. Hoyt Jan 2012 #110

no that is not what you said. You have rephrased it in your subjectline. As for the rest of your Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #112

I responded to S Tack, so holster your gun. Hoyt Jan 2012 #113

you replied on a public message board for all to read and reply to as they see fit Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #115

It was weird the first time in here to see Democrats spewing all the same right-wing... DanTex Jan 2012 #102

Exactly. Well said. Hoyt Jan 2012 #108

respectfully, I disagree. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #116

That has not been my experience, and I respectfully disagree gejohnston Jan 2012 #124

Just to be clear, you're accusing me of "detest(ing) working class and rural Americans". DanTex Jan 2012 #173

when they read between the lines gejohnston Jan 2012 #179

Very well said Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #137

It's incredible... ellisonz Jan 2012 #139

As a church/state separation near absolutist, gejohnston Jan 2012 #150

To the best of my knowledge... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #175

I agree Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #169

I notice some dichotomy between your points. mvccd1000 Jan 2012 #157

I know. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #168

By all means, go back and dig up the results of the survey in General Discussion. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #161

Post #42 confirmed. Thanks for your assistance. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #165

I love NWA. And the airline as well. Isn't term-rehab wonderful? nt SteveW Jan 2012 #180

How about "packer" - that's pretty innoucuous. ellisonz Jan 2012 #11

How about carrier? It seems to be what those who actually do it prefer... petronius Jan 2012 #12

Only with a couple conditions... ellisonz Jan 2012 #13

A deal? You misunderstand my purpose in this thread: as I told ST above I don't petronius Jan 2012 #17

Since some seem to take it as an offense...I'm offering compromise. ellisonz Jan 2012 #19

If you need deals and compromises in order to show courtesy, I'd conclude petronius Jan 2012 #21

There are levels of civility. ellisonz Jan 2012 #23

this is your appeal for civility ?! Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #56

For disagreeing with a failing gun control policy... ellisonz Jan 2012 #129

this thread is about discussing policy civilly with fellow DUers. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #131

And I'm talking about... ellisonz Jan 2012 #138

I realize that I am being hyperbolic in this thread in order to make my point. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #140

That's not hyperbolic, that's disrespect. ellisonz Jan 2012 #142

the OP was disrespectful from the start. good night. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #145

LOL. What do you expect from a [g-worder]? nt SteveW Jan 2012 #181

The word is "grabber." He doesn't mind it at all. Common Sense Party Jan 2012 #182

actually, I don't think ellisonz needs anything iverglas Jan 2012 #67

And I would say that your response demonstrates a failure to understand petronius Jan 2012 #118

your smiley failed ;) iverglas Jan 2012 #65

That shit is annoying. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #130

Carrier is more apt for an airline or a pigeon Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #47

You clearly have no interest in settling this. Union Scribe Jan 2012 #49

I grew up raising carrier pigeons Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #53

I have nothing to settle. I have made my position clear. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #149

haha iverglas Jan 2012 #69

Thanks gejohnston Jan 2012 #119

Happy to help. Did you check out the Toter Jeans too? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #122

If I actually get a pocket pistol I may. gejohnston Jan 2012 #126

Exactly. That is the word. Union Scribe Jan 2012 #48

Innocuous? I ask you... Straw Man Jan 2012 #14

So you're conceeding it's in common use? n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #15

Well, it was in 1943, anyway. Straw Man Jan 2012 #16

AP is still using it. ellisonz Jan 2012 #18

AP headlines aren't good models of usage. Straw Man Jan 2012 #20

"You do see the irony here, don't you?" ellisonz Jan 2012 #22

Threatening people with language is uncivil Union Scribe Jan 2012 #51

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #99

I really should make a list of all the nastiness that's been directed towards me in this forum... ellisonz Jan 2012 #133

That might start a bunch of shit with some football fans. rrneck Jan 2012 #38

yeah, if this is Green Bay... Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #98

Green bay Packers? rl6214 Jan 2012 #141

Common use one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #24

Stop being obtuse. ileus Jan 2012 #25

hey, I like that one: "rotten fuckass toter" Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #58

I don't find it insulting in the least, and I are one. mvccd1000 Jan 2012 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author ileus Jan 2012 #27

Congratulations! Someone who understands English. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #39

with the way you are reasoning this Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #117

death spewer toter.... ileus Jan 2012 #28

meh Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #59

That's Imah totin' ileus Jan 2012 #107

Imah so sorry. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #111

It's a term used in a DELIBERATELY pejorative manner MicaelS Jan 2012 #29

I'm glad you like it Fredjust Jan 2012 #31

You're a rude toter aren't you. ileus Jan 2012 #32

"Gun militant"... DanTex Jan 2012 #54

if and when Wayne or Mike or that other guy post in this group feel free to use it on them Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #60

And also, I'm going to keep "using it on them" even if they don't post here. DanTex Jan 2012 #82

as long you make the reference clear and don't use it on your fellow good and proper DUers. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #85

oooh, it's moi! iverglas Jan 2012 #78

Well said rl6214 Jan 2012 #144

the word does not offend me but, out of respect of my fellow DUers who are offended Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #30

How about "schlep"? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #33

Schlep is OK, but has the connotation of it being tiresome. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #40

No matter, I usually use the word "carry" JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #76

Just like every other word it depends on how you use it. rrneck Jan 2012 #36

I accept responsibility for using the word Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #41

You accept responsibility for its use, but not for its intent. rrneck Jan 2012 #45

And it's intent. How you interpret is up to you. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #52

No, you're not sorry. rrneck Jan 2012 #57

excellent post, rrneck Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #61

You are correct. I am not sorry. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #66

I guess you had a little trouble reading there. rrneck Jan 2012 #74

Sorry, but I'm not sorry I was sorry about being sorry. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #77

That's what I thought. rrneck Jan 2012 #80

You couldn't be more correct. I'm so sorry. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #86

Prove you're sorry. nt rrneck Jan 2012 #89

Prove I'm not. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #97

Sorry, can't prove a negative. rrneck Jan 2012 #104

OK I'm back and glad to know you don't have aproblem with the word "toter" Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #143

If you don't like unsubstantiated insults rrneck Jan 2012 #148

No personal insults intended. No evasion either. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #151

More plauseable deniability. We'll see. nt rrneck Jan 2012 #152

not a thing, grabber. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #90

LOL! rrneck Jan 2012 #95

you were sorry about being sorry but, now you are not because Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #87

Some people just don't know rrneck Jan 2012 #92

I don't think you are as mean spirited as you like to appear. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #146

I am as mean spirited as I need to be. rrneck Jan 2012 #147

That's your choice and your opinion Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #154

Anybody that reads this thread rrneck Jan 2012 #156

I'm sure you are right Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #170

Damn. Sorry about the confusion Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #100

don't worry Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #101

Gah! rrneck Jan 2012 #105

Ha! Well, I guess we see gun-g------s coming back in? "Sorry." nt SteveW Jan 2012 #183

It is pretty obvious you're not the least bit sorry MicaelS Jan 2012 #81

Of course I'm not sorry. Are you serious? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #121

Well said, spot on. ileus Jan 2012 #109

To quote a former member: "What a steaming pantload." beevul Jan 2012 #83

Which poster are you referring to? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #93

google it at site:DU iverglas Jan 2012 #106

Ask and you shall receive. beevul Jan 2012 #114

"tote" has the connotation of carrying something heavy and/or awkward. krispos42 Jan 2012 #43

Interesting. Where do you get the heavy/awkward thing from? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #50

Wikipedia, which I believe reflects current usage. krispos42 Jan 2012 #123

Good point. Maybe guns used to be heavier. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #128

Haven't you repeatedly claimed that you owned no firearms? n/t oneshooter Jan 2012 #136

I personally... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #72

I don't mind any which way. Remmah2 Jan 2012 #73

Boy howdy, this thread really cleared the air. rrneck Jan 2012 #125

oh lord Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #134

Spot-on, and wonderfully eloquent to boot!! NT Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #158

Wonderful summary of desiring a (concealed) license to murder-mouth. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #184

In response to my comment about the word "tote" rl6214 Jan 2012 #132

Fair enough. No toters. No grabbers or packers from now on. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #153

No need to go overboard. rrneck Jan 2012 #162

Oh alright. As long as we're all still friends. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #167

You would not think so if you had known me a few years ago. oneshooter Jan 2012 #174

I'll own up to misinterpretations and some mean comments from time to time Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #176

FWIW... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #177

Back atcha! Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #178

Proud toter reporting in. Pacafishmate Jan 2012 #155

Welcome to DU! rrneck Jan 2012 #166

Some of you toters/carriers/CCWers/packers need to get thicker skins. mvccd1000 Jan 2012 #159

Bullshit. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #160

Haven't you heard. I have conceded and will no longer use that awful word. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #171

Any group sufficiently large, interactive, and historically cumulative will develop its own culture. X_Digger Jan 2012 #163

Believe it or not I didn't steal from or copy Hoyt Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #172

you might be interested in what is going on elsewhere in DU regarding words and meaning Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #185

Yeah, I've been reading those threads. Very interesting. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #187

thanks. weird, how stuff bothers some people and not others. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #189

So does this mean I can't say rude toter anymore? ??? ileus Jan 2012 #186

You can say whatever you like. It's your choice. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #188

Thanks everyone for your input. I really appreciate it. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #190

While I feel that "rude toter" is a bit abrasive ObamaFTW2012 Jan 2012 #191