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Gun Control & RKBA

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rDigital

(2,239 posts)
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:15 PM Aug 2012

Would tougher gun laws prevent criminals from getting and using firearms in the United States [View all]


Privately Owned Firearms
The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,000
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

270 Million! That's a lot of guns. I think that horse is already out of the barn.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

8.775 murders by firearms in 2010 compared with 270 million guns in the United States.

That means that of the total civilian guns in circulation only 0.00325% are ever used to murder another person. That's a little over 3/1000's of 1%. Thats a whole lot of guns doing a whole lot of nothing. If guns are ONLY designed to kill, It sounds like most guns are defective.

Let's touch that up a little there are about 80 million gun owners in the US. That means only 0.01096875% of gun owners murder another human being in the US. A little over a 1/100 of 1%. That is exceedingly small, especially when you consider that the majority of murders are ultra-concentrated in gang riddled urban centers like Chicago, NYC and DC.

What say you?
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Yes, tougher gun laws would prevent criminals from getting and using guns to murder people
3 (8%)
No, tougher gun laws would not prevent criminals from getting and using guns.
37 (93%)
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If you repeat an NRA talking point 100 times, will it suddenly become true? DanTex Aug 2012 #1
The numbers speak for themselves, sweetie. rDigital Aug 2012 #2
I thought the entire point Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #3
Facts are facts regardless of who points them out. spayneuter Aug 2012 #5
If you repeat 100 times that everything you don't agree with is an NRA Talking point CokeMachine Aug 2012 #6
How do you know those are NRA "talking points" Remmah2 Aug 2012 #8
I'm sure a member of the NRA leadership... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #14
What's the big deal with "talking points" as long as they're valid. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #15
Hold it! Stop. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #16
I'm starting to see a pattern here. My spidey sense is tingling. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #56
You can't argue with "truthiness." n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #9
Are you saying the FBI and ATF are gejohnston Aug 2012 #10
Do you really think the rest of us... ellisonz Aug 2012 #23
As you noted a while back, gun nuts don't do multivariate analysis. DanTex Aug 2012 #24
Neither do you. Clames Dec 2012 #64
many if not most do. nt. gejohnston Aug 2012 #25
According to gunzzzz.com 7 out of every 5 gun owners have disrupted a child trafficking ring! DanTex Aug 2012 #19
New math??? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #21
NRA talking points brought to you by gejohnston Aug 2012 #11
Calling something a "talking point" is not a rebuttal. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #12
In practice... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #22
True. I ran into the same problem with this post, different anti. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #26
+1 :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #30
It is if the "point" can be labeled with the "N" word... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #68
No, absolutely not. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #13
If you ignore what is actually fact, will it suddenly stop being true? rl6214 Aug 2012 #48
Well, Jamaica (less than 500 miles from the US) has what amounts to a total gun ban and is awash spayneuter Aug 2012 #4
According to the Gun-Prohibitionists countries like Jamaica don't count rDigital Aug 2012 #17
Oh, well I figured there must be -some- mitigating factor. Arrgh. spayneuter Aug 2012 #29
"Prevent" is the wrong word here - no level of stringency will prevent petronius Aug 2012 #7
I support such ideas such as you suggest ... spin Aug 2012 #18
i believe you're asked the right question here and i believe there should be other helpful things samsingh Aug 2012 #27
This makes more sense, and is a regular topic of discussion here. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #69
The problem is a lack of enforcement, not a lack of laws. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #20
would law enforcement have stopped the gun massacre in Co? samsingh Aug 2012 #28
control is a myth discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #31
the benefits of guns is a myth and the rest of us are subjected to pseudo arguments samsingh Aug 2012 #34
Yeah, I see your point. I think you should tell that to these people. rl6214 Aug 2012 #35
i'm sure i can find more examples where someone shot people who were armed and couldn't samsingh Aug 2012 #37
I'll wait... rl6214 Aug 2012 #39
I'm still waiting for Sam's examples... All I hear is crickets. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #57
The Silence of No Response is deafening. n/t DWC Sep 2012 #58
Are we still waiting... PavePusher Dec 2012 #62
CCWers shooting back and hitting the wrong target is rare. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #43
"...pseudo arguments" discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #36
the one's i'm getting back samsingh Aug 2012 #38
Characterizing an argument... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #40
savor away. samsingh Aug 2012 #41
Probably, if they had been there. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #33
where there is a will there is a way. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #32
Good Question wolfman24 Aug 2012 #42
Welcome to DU. I wouldn't be surprised if you do get flamed, though... DanTex Aug 2012 #44
Falsely accusing those who disagree with you on one thing gejohnston Aug 2012 #47
My type of guns are OK but yours aren't. rl6214 Aug 2012 #49
Question for you. oneshooter Aug 2012 #50
Maybe some like these: AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #52
Welcome to the Gungeon DWC Sep 2012 #60
Award-winning lifelong liberal Dem criminologist seems to agree with you. Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #45
The results of the poll are fascinating. ... spin Aug 2012 #46
Well that guy from Canada hasn't posted yet. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #53
This is not a zero sum game. It is not all one way or upaloopa Aug 2012 #51
It seem you're part of the "passsomethingnowwegottadosomethingrightnowomfg" crowd. The world rDigital Sep 2012 #59
Some actual difference but probably statistically null over any foreseeable time frame. TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #54
This poll speaks for itself. : ) read em' n weep rDigital Aug 2012 #55
*bump* rDigital Dec 2012 #61
wow. where did all the voters come from. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #63
No, of course not. The question itself is ridiculous. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #65
The poll is a puff piece for sure, but the numbers are surely interesting for the rDigital Dec 2012 #66
It demonstrates that they are a small minority. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #67
I agree. : ) nt rDigital Dec 2012 #70
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