Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

9. no

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:13 PM

Jul 2012

because the DP sets out to kill someone. Self Defense does not. You fire to stop, not to kill. that is a difference. You realize, by saying what you are, you are putting a higher value on the attacker than the defender. If no, it is certainly perceived as such by most people in the world. That is why people who have disdain for those who defend themselves, are marginalized even in DU.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

58 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

A simple question to those who carry for self-defense. [View all] Starboard Tack Jul 2012 OP

I don't carry, but I oppose the DP slackmaster Jul 2012 #1

+1 (nt) petronius Jul 2012 #2

I disagree with the death penalty Glassunion Jul 2012 #3

I agree. The death penalty is not self defense. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #7

no gejohnston Jul 2012 #9

+1 :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #11

There is a difference between defending yourself and killing someone. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #13

you need to read threads closer gejohnston Jul 2012 #15

If your assailant is determined to kill you with fists, teeth and fingernails, AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #17

"shooting a person and aiming at center mass to STOP them is more than likely going to kill them" PavePusher Jul 2012 #31

I carry a gun. Callisto32 Jul 2012 #33

Perfect response to a loaded question. n/t DWC Jul 2012 #25

No it does not. Glassunion Jul 2012 #12

So why carry it if you are not prepared to kill? Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #14

No matter how you rephrase it you are ignoring the point. Glassunion Jul 2012 #24

I never suggeste you were "preparing" to do any of those. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #27

We prepare to stop violent attacks. Callisto32 Jul 2012 #36

Due process is not a factor in self defense. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #19

My goal is to stop the aggression. jeepnstein Jul 2012 #29

Your goal may well be to stop the aggression, but there are consequences. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #37

So you're saying defending your own life is not acceptable? jeepnstein Jul 2012 #41

Now where did I say anything close to that? Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #43

I guess that is the difference between UK cops and cops in North America gejohnston Jul 2012 #45

What department are you with? jeepnstein Jul 2012 #47

some place in the UK gejohnston Jul 2012 #48

Oh. That's really interesting. jeepnstein Jul 2012 #49

UK, unarmed, as we all were at the time, barring specialized sharpshooters. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #50

Support, under very strict evidence requirements. PavePusher Jul 2012 #4

Agree NT virginia mountainman Jul 2012 #8

Not sure how to answer I don't support the death penalty across the board Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #5

I'm not sure what you mean by "across the board" Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #6

Answering the deeper question Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #21

They are just questions, not accusations. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #22

"They are just questions, not accusations." PavePusher Jul 2012 #35

I'm sure you don't. There is plenty I don't believe about you. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #51

Unlike you Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #46

Where did I say I was willing to trust my life to a stranger? Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #52

You keep attempting to insinuate that defense is equal to being an "executioner". PavePusher Jul 2012 #34

I voted Pass. I don't carry. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #10

I carry, and I do NOT support the death penalty. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #16

I'm really not conflating anything. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #38

Poll construction sorta sucks. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #39

Dont carry, oppose DP. (Death Penalty) nt rrneck Jul 2012 #18

Carry and support the death penalty. Clames Jul 2012 #20

Pass. I don't carry and I don't support the death penalty. Kaleva Jul 2012 #23

Very poorly done poll, too few options. MicaelS Jul 2012 #26

Feel free to post your own poll. I support neither, under any circumstances. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #28

I voted "yes" DWC Jul 2012 #30

No question of competence? AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #40

Pass CokeMachine Jul 2012 #32

CCW permit holder here, voted "no." Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #42

If you were sure all convictions were correct would you then support it? Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #53

For certain heinous crimes, yes. (nm) Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #54

So murder is OK when committed by the state? Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #55

Murder has a different definition, actually..but I understand your point. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #56

Good! We agree on that. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #57

I support the death penalty ... MrValentine Jul 2012 #44

Nope. I see no relation once one gets any beyond the killing aspect. TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #58