Gun Control & RKBA

friendly_iconoclast

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215. And again, pointing out *your* specious claim is not a defense of *them*. A pox on both your houses!

Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:51 PM

Jul 2012

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-*The NRA* for becoming (as I said before) a hypocritical right-wing political movement with a bitchin' gun club...

-*You* for trying to spread faith-promoting rumor and slandering a fellow DUer when called on it. You don't like the NRA? Fine- but hate them for real
reasons instead of some half baked CT.

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Time for RKBA DU'ers to make a choice...the NRA or the USA? [View all] HankyDub Jul 2012 OP

If you own two sets of golf clubs, then you are a golf nut. DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #1

Define gun nut. permatex Jul 2012 #3

If you own more than ONE gun, you are a "gun nut" DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #21

Thats your definition, permatex Jul 2012 #22

That's your opinion. The facts speak differently. Sorry, couldn't resist. Hoyt Jul 2012 #31

What facts would that be? permatex Jul 2012 #74

*chirp chirp Tejas Jul 2012 #203

By that rationale sarisataka Jul 2012 #33

I disagree. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #71

Hope you don't own more than one pair of shoes. TheWraith Jul 2012 #77

You better not eat more than one Buffalo Wing at a time or you're a wing nut n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #96

ROFL.... n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #101

If you urinate often, you're a pee-nut. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #110

Good one.............. permatex Jul 2012 #115

Oh yeah! What if you really liked lugs? rhett o rick Jul 2012 #122

Please stop permatex Jul 2012 #123

I recognize the symptoms and only vodka will remedy. brb. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #126

I'm having a permatex Jul 2012 #129

Hey, I never criticize another's drink.......as long as they are willing to share. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #147

I hope no one thinks I am mocking this thread. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #130

Of course not. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #133

Not at all permatex Jul 2012 #137

Hard to duck hunt with a 300WSM ileus Jul 2012 #148

Easy to hunt, hard to find the parts. oneshooter Jul 2012 #153

What a steaming crock of runny human shit. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #149

I have three sets of clubs. Scuba Jul 2012 #176

Question: If the starter sent you to the first tee to go out with my threesome... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #183

Well, there's two sets I play with regularly, depending on my mood.... Scuba Jul 2012 #184

Anyone who owns three or more of anything is a collector slackmaster Jul 2012 #161

now I am a car collector Go Vols Jul 2012 #171

Never heard anyone called a "golf nut" rl6214 Jul 2012 #79

Don't forget that this will apply to all permatex Jul 2012 #2

I'm proud to support the NAACP HankyDub Jul 2012 #6

I never said they got nothing to hide permatex Jul 2012 #10

ACLU agreed with Citizens United too HankyDub Jul 2012 #18

I do not stand with the NRA. Never have. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #4

Good on ya! HankyDub Jul 2012 #5

membership can be as little as $25 a year. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #7

"The NRA can't swing this election." HankyDub Jul 2012 #8

Yet, the NRA gives positive ratings to Democrats, just fine, as long as they come down on the AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #14

Now the NRA will give negative ratings HankyDub Jul 2012 #16

NRA supports a lot of right wing causes unrelated to guns. Check out their leadership. Hoyt Jul 2012 #35

Sure, the NRA board has become highly politicized. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #42

Does the NRA itself permatex Jul 2012 #45

When grover norquist goes to scratch Republican congressperson's back, he's lobbying for more guns, Hoyt Jul 2012 #50

You didn't answer the question. permatex Jul 2012 #53

Permatex, rather than buying another gun, try getting an education on how these organizations work. Hoyt Jul 2012 #55

Could you PLEASE answer the question? permatex Jul 2012 #60

I would have to say he posted a fact sarisataka Jul 2012 #62

Hoyt, rather than dodging, try providing *actual evidence* to back up your assertion... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #61

You, yesterday: "When you quote something like that, it is customary to give a link to the source." friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #65

And of course this is just your "opinion" because there is no proof to rl6214 Jul 2012 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author HankyDub Jul 2012 #99

and you support cops gejohnston Jul 2012 #124

I choose my range and democracy. Clames Jul 2012 #9

He just thought it was a glove. rrneck Jul 2012 #38

Certainly explains the smell. Clames Jul 2012 #85

Sadly, Real Life(tm) is not as binary as you wish it were. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #11

P.S. What's an "NRA soundbyte(s)"? PavePusher Jul 2012 #12

I'm disappointed HankyDub Jul 2012 #17

You are not wrong about it being "filled with patriotic democrats". PavePusher Jul 2012 #28

Patriotic= sarisataka Jul 2012 #36

P.S. You've dodged the question. PavePusher Jul 2012 #97

here are some: HankyDub Jul 2012 #142

Anonymous web page with no citations to the claimed quotes. PavePusher Jul 2012 #154

If the NRA is so powerful, why don't Democrats realize that... krispos42 Jul 2012 #13

Well, sweetheart HankyDub Jul 2012 #15

The ACLU opposes this bill on first amendment grounds. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #20

Bribery is not speech. nt HankyDub Jul 2012 #24

So the bill is bad but the NRA's tactics are bad too? Is that it? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #26

Did I say the bill is bad? HankyDub Jul 2012 #37

So the ACLU is wrong. OK nt hack89 Jul 2012 #48

Should DUers quit the ACLU over their opposition to it? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #64

Not unless the ACLU starts paying speaking fees to Glenn Beckkk and $arah Palin HankyDub Jul 2012 #66

Good on ya bongbong Jul 2012 #93

I'm actually not new here, but thanks HankyDub Jul 2012 #102

We really aren't that bad permatex Jul 2012 #104

some of my old buddies would disagree with you HankyDub Jul 2012 #135

and then they came for the fire extinguishers....... Tejas Jul 2012 #205

Do I also have to choose between the ACLU and the USA? hack89 Jul 2012 #19

the aclu has done a great deal of good for this country HankyDub Jul 2012 #23

They helped pass all our present gun control laws hack89 Jul 2012 #25

post hoc ergo propter hoc HankyDub Jul 2012 #27

So show us the harm that the NRA has done America hack89 Jul 2012 #29

So you don't watch your local news or read your local newspaper? gregoire Jul 2012 #34

How can I get one of these sarisataka Jul 2012 #39

You'd better watch it- some folks don't like skeptics who cast doubt upon their One True Faith... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #58

NRA doesn't really care what happens to guns after they are sold, only that they are sold. Hoyt Jul 2012 #43

And I can proudly say that I'm doing my part to add another 100 million guns sold. permatex Jul 2012 #47

Who you planning to intimidate, or excite with that piece of crap (my opinion)? Hoyt Jul 2012 #51

Just where did you get that I'm going to intimidate anyone with it? permatex Jul 2012 #56

Ordered, paid for, on it's way to a las vegas gun store for p/u next week, also ordered permatex Jul 2012 #91

Sweet Meiko Jul 2012 #120

Bambi's mom, that's who. They are well made, and would be a great deer rifle... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #63

Are you posting gun porn now? NT Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #162

Very nice sarisataka Jul 2012 #54

I know you're going to whine about this BUT rl6214 Jul 2012 #90

Oh c'mon permatex Jul 2012 #95

Yeah, I know rl6214 Jul 2012 #107

I've gone back in the archives permatex Jul 2012 #108

Lord man, they've figured out how to take a "percentage" of things by just handling lobbying, etc. Hoyt Jul 2012 #121

Thats your opinion permatex Jul 2012 #127

The reports that for the past 30 years have trumpeted historic declines in gun violence? hack89 Jul 2012 #46

still slipping in that fallacy eh HankyDub Jul 2012 #49

So let me get this straight hack89 Jul 2012 #52

That's a twisty pretzel. HankyDub Jul 2012 #67

Yet as gun laws got laxer, gun violence went down hack89 Jul 2012 #68

This is a logical fallacy, a combination of two, in fact. HankyDub Jul 2012 #72

No it is not hack89 Jul 2012 #73

The reduction is not uniform HankyDub Jul 2012 #78

"Overall violent and property crime reached a 32-year low" hack89 Jul 2012 #80

so you're pointing out that HankyDub Jul 2012 #84

Why wouldn't he? Clames Jul 2012 #89

I notice you were using old data hack89 Jul 2012 #94

Why does AARP or any other political pressure group hack89 Jul 2012 #98

is the AARP HankyDub Jul 2012 #103

They probably do permatex Jul 2012 #106

not according to them HankyDub Jul 2012 #109

I apologize, permatex Jul 2012 #112

Not on this particular issue hack89 Jul 2012 #111

Nobody is threatening anyone Meiko Jul 2012 #119

The reason I am making a stink is that they are advocating agains the interests HankyDub Jul 2012 #132

I understand what you are saying Meiko Jul 2012 #146

Try using the FBI murder RATE. It shows the true picture. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #151

There you go again with your harping on "logical fallacies". rhett o rick Jul 2012 #118

hehehe...this is a quote you might like HankyDub Jul 2012 #134

Good quote. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #136

I have been in many of the poor areas and housing projects in El Paso and have NEVER rl6214 Jul 2012 #88

Wait, wait, oh I get it. You are baiting. Yep. The old "show me some stats" bait. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #114

Yea - I know. It really is cheating to insist on actual facts and evidence hack89 Jul 2012 #116

No, no, you're not a dick. I was commending you for demanding that he provide evidence rhett o rick Jul 2012 #125

But I have posted that evidence hack89 Jul 2012 #131

I will bow to your stats. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #138

Peace out. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #139

up in one 5 year period, down in another HankyDub Jul 2012 #140

Yes - the shrill fear mongering about CCW, open carry and SYG are just bullshit. hack89 Jul 2012 #141

That isn't an answer to my question, is it now. HankyDub Jul 2012 #143

But it is an honest assement of the gun control mentality here hack89 Jul 2012 #145

Hey, I am alerting you this. You cant say that in mixed public. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #113

LOL. permatex Jul 2012 #117

Glenn Beckkk and $arah Palin? rl6214 Jul 2012 #87

You support these two individuals? HankyDub Jul 2012 #144

I have no idea gejohnston Jul 2012 #152

I saw that about beck as well... rl6214 Jul 2012 #156

Don't support them at all... rl6214 Jul 2012 #155

Ahem... HankyDub Jul 2012 #41

As long as we don't have to choose between mindless hysteria and reason. 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #30

All of those violent CONservatives should have their names published! gregoire Jul 2012 #32

Ahem... HankyDub Jul 2012 #40

That was always the choice. But the NRA has its apologists very well trained. villager Jul 2012 #44

So how *does* the NRA 'train' apologists? Do let us know... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #57

Folks like you, for example, dutifully internalizing -- and repeating - their crafted talking points villager Jul 2012 #70

I must have missed the NRA apologist class. permatex Jul 2012 #75

Easy- just read "The Protocols of The Elders of The NRA" friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #81

Thanks. permatex Jul 2012 #92

Stop. Bragging. PavePusher Jul 2012 #100

so.... you completely support what the NRA is doing with the Senate? villager Jul 2012 #157

I'm curious, permatex Jul 2012 #158

The advanced search function is your friend. Donate, and you'll be able to use it too: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #163

Then why defend a group that even you see as saturated with right-wing politics? villager Jul 2012 #202

I didn't defend *them*, I asked *you* how they allegedly 'trained' apologists. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #207

Sort of obvious, isn't it? They've positioned themselves in the minds of gunfolk in such a way that villager Jul 2012 #208

The Republican did that as a whole, not the NRA gejohnston Jul 2012 #209

Kindly point out this "defense" of the NRA you keep mistakenly attributing to me. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #210

Then you can join the rest of sane and compassionate humanity in the wake of Aurora. villager Jul 2012 #212

Using a tragedy to dodge a question? How tacky of you. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #213

Ignoring a tragedy to continue a debate about an organization you're still defending? How craven. villager Jul 2012 #214

And again, pointing out *your* specious claim is not a defense of *them*. A pox on both your houses! friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #215

So how did *you* learn enough about them to 'know' they come from the NRA? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #83

Question not related to the NRA. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #59

The two are not mutually exclusive. HALO141 Jul 2012 #69

I have never belonged to the NRA, never sent them a dime BUT rl6214 Jul 2012 #76

not my point HankyDub Jul 2012 #86

Your quote: rl6214 Jul 2012 #105

Check it out. Rand Paul is trying to replace a treasonous oath to Grover Nordquist with one to NRA patrice Jul 2012 #128

Rand Paul? gejohnston Jul 2012 #164

You seem... slackmaster Jul 2012 #150

Please Satisfy My Curiosity frebrd Jul 2012 #159

It's just another stereotype the Anti's buy into as created gospel.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #160

I'd be absolutely delighted HankyDub Jul 2012 #167

Maybe I missed something sarisataka Jul 2012 #170

you did miss something HankyDub Jul 2012 #172

Sorry I misinterpreted post #150 sarisataka Jul 2012 #173

which is ironic gejohnston Jul 2012 #175

MLK said this: HankyDub Jul 2012 #177

don't care what he said gejohnston Jul 2012 #179

I know you don't care what he said HankyDub Jul 2012 #180

Now I remember why I dumped the Green Party gejohnston Jul 2012 #181

you misinterpret HankyDub Jul 2012 #182

calling it as I see it. gejohnston Jul 2012 #185

please try to stick to the facts HankyDub Jul 2012 #190

how about something from the NRA gejohnston Jul 2012 #191

For a moment I thought you were reasonable sarisataka Jul 2012 #186

Amen brother, amen. permatex Jul 2012 #187

people interested in justice are rarely reasonable HankyDub Jul 2012 #188

They are not mutually exclusive sarisataka Jul 2012 #192

this does seem like a worhtwhile conversation HankyDub Jul 2012 #193

fixed it for you -- Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #194

+1000 and thank you for your service rl6214 Jul 2012 #198

"As a veteran, go fuck yourself. " rl6214 Jul 2012 #199

So we are clear Meiko Jul 2012 #196

You distort the true history of Rosa Parks and of the civil rights movement in general. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #200

Thanks for this very fine post! Simo 1939_1940 Jul 2012 #211

People should have a right to unionize and organize and have their privacy respected. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #165

it's unfortunate that you didn't read the OP HankyDub Jul 2012 #168

I agree with your post Meiko Jul 2012 #189

Whoso side am I on?? DWC Jul 2012 #166

and again, it's a shame that people don't read before they post HankyDub Jul 2012 #169

I read Your OP before I posted. DWC Jul 2012 #201

No TRUE Scotsman..... Callisto32 Jul 2012 #174

fail HankyDub Jul 2012 #178

Please stop using the word threaten. Meiko Jul 2012 #195

boys? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #197

Neither. Tejas Jul 2012 #204

You realize that if there were no movement to ban guns 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #206