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friendly_iconoclast

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200. You distort the true history of Rosa Parks and of the civil rights movement in general.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:29 AM
Jul 2012

Not that such revisionism is anything new:

http://www.onthemedia.org/2010/aug/27/tabula-rosa/transcript/


BOB GARFIELD: In that same Washington Post obituary there was, it seemed, a palpable sense of disappointment that the myth is, in fact, a myth. Why are we so reluctant to let it go? TIM TYSON: There's a sense in which Mrs. Parks is very important to our post-civil rights racial narrative, because we really want a kind of sugar-coated civil rights movement that's about purity and interracial non-violence. And so we don't really want to meet the real Rosa Parks. We don't, for example, want to know that in the late 1960s, Rosa Parks became a black nationalist and a great admirer of Malcolm X. I met Rosa Parks at the funeral of Robert F. Williams, who had fought the Ku Klux Klan in North Carolina with a machine gun in the late 1950s and then fled to Cuba, and had been a kind of international revolutionary icon of black power. Ms. Parks delivered the eulogy at his funeral. She talks in her autobiography and says that she never believed in non-violence and that she was incapable of that herself, and that she kept guns in her home to protect her family. But we want a little old lady with tired feet. You may have noticed we don't have a lot of pacifist white heroes. We prefer our black people meek and mild, I think.




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14. More on Timothy Tyson, Robert F. Williams, and armed African-Americans:

Edited on Tue Aug-31-10 12:30 PM by friendly_iconoclast

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Tyson

....In 1998, Tyson published an influential article in the Journal of American History, "Robert F. Williams, 'Black Power,' and the Roots of the Black Freedom Struggle." The following year, his Radio Free Dixie: Robert F. Williams and the Roots of Black Power, published by UNC Press, won the Frederick Jackson Turner Prize for best first book in U.S. history from the Organization of American Historians, as well as the James A. Rawley Prize for best book on the subject of race. "Radio Free Dixie" provided the foundation for "Negroes with Guns: Rob Williams and Black Power", a documentary film made by Sandra Dickson and Churchill Roberts at the University of Florida's Documentary Institute and broadcast on national television in February 2007. "Negroes with Guns," for which Tyson served as lead consultant, won the Erick Barnouw Award for best historical film from the Organization of American Historians....

An interview with Robert F. Williams:



Another interview with Williams:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5457524655277645843#

You can buy the DVD of "Negroes with Guns: Rob Williams and Black Power" here:

http://newsreel.org/nav/title.asp?tc=CN0178







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Remembering Robert Hicks and the Deacons of Defense

http://www.thesouthernshift.com/news/2010/04/remembering-robert-hicks-and-deacons-defense


Remembering Robert Hicks and the Deacons of Defense
Submitted by Southern Shift on Mon, 2010-04-26 11:32

The story around Robert Hicks and his group Deacons for Defense have all but been erased from public consciousness. You check on familiar touch points like YouTube and there's nothing there. Pictures are hard to find and articles are scant. The thought of armed Black men standing up to the KKK and successfully protecting lives and propert during the harsh days of the Jim Crow South is a scary thought for many. The truth of the matter is many African Americans did not sit back and just allow themselves to be beaten and terrorized by the KKK. Hicks represented an underplayed part of our history..


The passing of Robert Hicks will not be acknowledge on the same scale as the passing of Guru, Dr Dorothy Height and Benjamin Hooks but he is no less important. We tip our hat because he did what many have come to belive was the unthinkable.We also encourage folks to try and pick up a copy of the movie that stars Forest Whitaker

-Davey D-



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/us/25hicks.html?scp=1&sq=robert%20hicks&st=cse

Robert Hicks, Leader in Armed Rights Group, Dies at 81


Someone had called to say the Ku Klux Klan was coming to bomb Robert Hicks’s house. The police said there was nothing they could do. It was the night of Feb. 1, 1965, in Bogalusa, La.

The Klan was furious that Mr. Hicks, a black paper mill worker, was putting up two white civil rights workers in his home. It was just six months after three young civil rights workers had been murdered in Philadelphia, Miss.

Mr. Hicks and his wife, Valeria, made some phone calls. They found neighbors to take in their children, and they reached out to friends for protection. Soon, armed black men materialized. Nothing happened.

Less than three weeks later, the leaders of a secretive, paramilitary organization of blacks called the Deacons for Defense and Justice visited Bogalusa. It had been formed in Jonesboro, La., in 1964 mainly to protect unarmed civil rights demonstrators from the Klan. After listening to the Deacons, Mr. Hicks took the lead in forming a Bogalusa chapter, recruiting many of the men who had gone to his house to protect his family and guests....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacons_for_Defense_and_Justice


Deacons for Defense and Justice
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Deacons for Defense and Justice is an armed self defense African American civil rights organization in the U.S. Southern states during the 1960s. Historically, the organization practiced self-defense methods in the face of racist oppression that was carried out by Jim Crow Laws; local and state agencies; and the Ku Klux Klan. Many times the Deacons are not written about or cited when speaking of the Civil Rights Movement because their agenda of self-defense, in this case, using violence (if necessary) did not fit the image of strict non-violence agenda that leaders like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. preached about the Civil Rights Movement. Yet, there has been a recent debate over the crucial role the Deacons and other lesser known militant organizations played on local levels throughout much of the rural South. Many times in these areas the Federal government did not always have complete control over to enforce such laws like the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or Voting Rights Act of 1965.

The Deacons are a segment of the larger tradition of Black Power in the United States. This tradition began with the inception of African slavery in the U.S. and began with the use of Africans as chattel slaves in the Western Hemisphere. Stokely Carmichael defines Black Power as, “The goal of black self-determination and black self-identity—Black Power—is full participation in the decision-making processes affecting the lives of black people, and recognition of the virtues in themselves as black people.”[1] Those of us who advocate Black Power are quite clear in our own minds that a “non-violent” approach to civil rights is an approach black people cannot afford and a luxury white people do not deserve.[1] This refers to the idea that the traditional ideas and values of the Civil Rights Movement placated to the emotions and feelings of White liberal supporters rather than Black Americans who had to consistently live with the racism and other acts of violence that was shown towards them.

The Deacons were a driving force of Black Power that Stokely Carmichael echoed. Carmichael speaks about the Deacons when he writes, “Here is a group which realized that the ‘law’ and law enforcement agencies would not protect people, so they had to do it themselves...The Deacons and all other blacks who resort to self-defense represent a simple answer to a simple question: what man would not defend his family and home from attack?”[1] The Deacons, according to Carmichael and many others were the protection that the Civil Rights needed on local levels, as well as, the ones who intervened in places that the state and federal government fell short.












If you own two sets of golf clubs, then you are a golf nut. DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #1
Define gun nut. permatex Jul 2012 #3
If you own more than ONE gun, you are a "gun nut" DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #21
Thats your definition, permatex Jul 2012 #22
That's your opinion. The facts speak differently. Sorry, couldn't resist. Hoyt Jul 2012 #31
What facts would that be? permatex Jul 2012 #74
*chirp chirp Tejas Jul 2012 #203
By that rationale sarisataka Jul 2012 #33
I disagree. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #71
Hope you don't own more than one pair of shoes. TheWraith Jul 2012 #77
You better not eat more than one Buffalo Wing at a time or you're a wing nut n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #96
ROFL.... n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #101
If you urinate often, you're a pee-nut. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #110
Good one.............. permatex Jul 2012 #115
Oh yeah! What if you really liked lugs? rhett o rick Jul 2012 #122
Please stop permatex Jul 2012 #123
I recognize the symptoms and only vodka will remedy. brb. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #126
I'm having a permatex Jul 2012 #129
Hey, I never criticize another's drink.......as long as they are willing to share. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #147
I hope no one thinks I am mocking this thread. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #130
Of course not. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #133
Not at all permatex Jul 2012 #137
Hard to duck hunt with a 300WSM ileus Jul 2012 #148
Easy to hunt, hard to find the parts. oneshooter Jul 2012 #153
What a steaming crock of runny human shit. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #149
I have three sets of clubs. Scuba Jul 2012 #176
Question: If the starter sent you to the first tee to go out with my threesome... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #183
Well, there's two sets I play with regularly, depending on my mood.... Scuba Jul 2012 #184
Anyone who owns three or more of anything is a collector slackmaster Jul 2012 #161
now I am a car collector Go Vols Jul 2012 #171
Never heard anyone called a "golf nut" rl6214 Jul 2012 #79
Don't forget that this will apply to all permatex Jul 2012 #2
I'm proud to support the NAACP HankyDub Jul 2012 #6
I never said they got nothing to hide permatex Jul 2012 #10
ACLU agreed with Citizens United too HankyDub Jul 2012 #18
I do not stand with the NRA. Never have. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #4
Good on ya! HankyDub Jul 2012 #5
membership can be as little as $25 a year. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #7
"The NRA can't swing this election." HankyDub Jul 2012 #8
Yet, the NRA gives positive ratings to Democrats, just fine, as long as they come down on the AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #14
Now the NRA will give negative ratings HankyDub Jul 2012 #16
NRA supports a lot of right wing causes unrelated to guns. Check out their leadership. Hoyt Jul 2012 #35
Sure, the NRA board has become highly politicized. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #42
Does the NRA itself permatex Jul 2012 #45
When grover norquist goes to scratch Republican congressperson's back, he's lobbying for more guns, Hoyt Jul 2012 #50
You didn't answer the question. permatex Jul 2012 #53
Permatex, rather than buying another gun, try getting an education on how these organizations work. Hoyt Jul 2012 #55
Could you PLEASE answer the question? permatex Jul 2012 #60
I would have to say he posted a fact sarisataka Jul 2012 #62
Hoyt, rather than dodging, try providing *actual evidence* to back up your assertion... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #61
You, yesterday: "When you quote something like that, it is customary to give a link to the source." friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #65
And of course this is just your "opinion" because there is no proof to rl6214 Jul 2012 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author HankyDub Jul 2012 #99
and you support cops gejohnston Jul 2012 #124
I choose my range and democracy. Clames Jul 2012 #9
He just thought it was a glove. rrneck Jul 2012 #38
Certainly explains the smell. Clames Jul 2012 #85
Sadly, Real Life(tm) is not as binary as you wish it were. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #11
P.S. What's an "NRA soundbyte(s)"? PavePusher Jul 2012 #12
I'm disappointed HankyDub Jul 2012 #17
You are not wrong about it being "filled with patriotic democrats". PavePusher Jul 2012 #28
Patriotic= sarisataka Jul 2012 #36
P.S. You've dodged the question. PavePusher Jul 2012 #97
here are some: HankyDub Jul 2012 #142
Anonymous web page with no citations to the claimed quotes. PavePusher Jul 2012 #154
If the NRA is so powerful, why don't Democrats realize that... krispos42 Jul 2012 #13
Well, sweetheart HankyDub Jul 2012 #15
The ACLU opposes this bill on first amendment grounds. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #20
Bribery is not speech. nt HankyDub Jul 2012 #24
So the bill is bad but the NRA's tactics are bad too? Is that it? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #26
Did I say the bill is bad? HankyDub Jul 2012 #37
So the ACLU is wrong. OK nt hack89 Jul 2012 #48
Should DUers quit the ACLU over their opposition to it? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #64
Not unless the ACLU starts paying speaking fees to Glenn Beckkk and $arah Palin HankyDub Jul 2012 #66
Good on ya bongbong Jul 2012 #93
I'm actually not new here, but thanks HankyDub Jul 2012 #102
We really aren't that bad permatex Jul 2012 #104
some of my old buddies would disagree with you HankyDub Jul 2012 #135
and then they came for the fire extinguishers....... Tejas Jul 2012 #205
Do I also have to choose between the ACLU and the USA? hack89 Jul 2012 #19
the aclu has done a great deal of good for this country HankyDub Jul 2012 #23
They helped pass all our present gun control laws hack89 Jul 2012 #25
post hoc ergo propter hoc HankyDub Jul 2012 #27
So show us the harm that the NRA has done America hack89 Jul 2012 #29
So you don't watch your local news or read your local newspaper? gregoire Jul 2012 #34
How can I get one of these sarisataka Jul 2012 #39
You'd better watch it- some folks don't like skeptics who cast doubt upon their One True Faith... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #58
NRA doesn't really care what happens to guns after they are sold, only that they are sold. Hoyt Jul 2012 #43
And I can proudly say that I'm doing my part to add another 100 million guns sold. permatex Jul 2012 #47
Who you planning to intimidate, or excite with that piece of crap (my opinion)? Hoyt Jul 2012 #51
Just where did you get that I'm going to intimidate anyone with it? permatex Jul 2012 #56
Ordered, paid for, on it's way to a las vegas gun store for p/u next week, also ordered permatex Jul 2012 #91
Sweet Meiko Jul 2012 #120
Bambi's mom, that's who. They are well made, and would be a great deer rifle... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #63
Are you posting gun porn now? NT Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #162
Very nice sarisataka Jul 2012 #54
I know you're going to whine about this BUT rl6214 Jul 2012 #90
Oh c'mon permatex Jul 2012 #95
Yeah, I know rl6214 Jul 2012 #107
I've gone back in the archives permatex Jul 2012 #108
Lord man, they've figured out how to take a "percentage" of things by just handling lobbying, etc. Hoyt Jul 2012 #121
Thats your opinion permatex Jul 2012 #127
The reports that for the past 30 years have trumpeted historic declines in gun violence? hack89 Jul 2012 #46
still slipping in that fallacy eh HankyDub Jul 2012 #49
So let me get this straight hack89 Jul 2012 #52
That's a twisty pretzel. HankyDub Jul 2012 #67
Yet as gun laws got laxer, gun violence went down hack89 Jul 2012 #68
This is a logical fallacy, a combination of two, in fact. HankyDub Jul 2012 #72
No it is not hack89 Jul 2012 #73
The reduction is not uniform HankyDub Jul 2012 #78
"Overall violent and property crime reached a 32-year low" hack89 Jul 2012 #80
so you're pointing out that HankyDub Jul 2012 #84
Why wouldn't he? Clames Jul 2012 #89
I notice you were using old data hack89 Jul 2012 #94
Why does AARP or any other political pressure group hack89 Jul 2012 #98
is the AARP HankyDub Jul 2012 #103
They probably do permatex Jul 2012 #106
not according to them HankyDub Jul 2012 #109
I apologize, permatex Jul 2012 #112
Not on this particular issue hack89 Jul 2012 #111
Nobody is threatening anyone Meiko Jul 2012 #119
The reason I am making a stink is that they are advocating agains the interests HankyDub Jul 2012 #132
I understand what you are saying Meiko Jul 2012 #146
Try using the FBI murder RATE. It shows the true picture. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #151
There you go again with your harping on "logical fallacies". rhett o rick Jul 2012 #118
hehehe...this is a quote you might like HankyDub Jul 2012 #134
Good quote. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #136
I have been in many of the poor areas and housing projects in El Paso and have NEVER rl6214 Jul 2012 #88
Wait, wait, oh I get it. You are baiting. Yep. The old "show me some stats" bait. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #114
Yea - I know. It really is cheating to insist on actual facts and evidence hack89 Jul 2012 #116
No, no, you're not a dick. I was commending you for demanding that he provide evidence rhett o rick Jul 2012 #125
But I have posted that evidence hack89 Jul 2012 #131
I will bow to your stats. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #138
Peace out. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #139
up in one 5 year period, down in another HankyDub Jul 2012 #140
Yes - the shrill fear mongering about CCW, open carry and SYG are just bullshit. hack89 Jul 2012 #141
That isn't an answer to my question, is it now. HankyDub Jul 2012 #143
But it is an honest assement of the gun control mentality here hack89 Jul 2012 #145
Hey, I am alerting you this. You cant say that in mixed public. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #113
LOL. permatex Jul 2012 #117
Glenn Beckkk and $arah Palin? rl6214 Jul 2012 #87
You support these two individuals? HankyDub Jul 2012 #144
I have no idea gejohnston Jul 2012 #152
I saw that about beck as well... rl6214 Jul 2012 #156
Don't support them at all... rl6214 Jul 2012 #155
Ahem... HankyDub Jul 2012 #41
As long as we don't have to choose between mindless hysteria and reason. 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #30
All of those violent CONservatives should have their names published! gregoire Jul 2012 #32
Ahem... HankyDub Jul 2012 #40
That was always the choice. But the NRA has its apologists very well trained. villager Jul 2012 #44
So how *does* the NRA 'train' apologists? Do let us know... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #57
Folks like you, for example, dutifully internalizing -- and repeating - their crafted talking points villager Jul 2012 #70
I must have missed the NRA apologist class. permatex Jul 2012 #75
Easy- just read "The Protocols of The Elders of The NRA" friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #81
Thanks. permatex Jul 2012 #92
Stop. Bragging. PavePusher Jul 2012 #100
so.... you completely support what the NRA is doing with the Senate? villager Jul 2012 #157
I'm curious, permatex Jul 2012 #158
The advanced search function is your friend. Donate, and you'll be able to use it too: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #163
Then why defend a group that even you see as saturated with right-wing politics? villager Jul 2012 #202
I didn't defend *them*, I asked *you* how they allegedly 'trained' apologists. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #207
Sort of obvious, isn't it? They've positioned themselves in the minds of gunfolk in such a way that villager Jul 2012 #208
The Republican did that as a whole, not the NRA gejohnston Jul 2012 #209
Kindly point out this "defense" of the NRA you keep mistakenly attributing to me. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #210
Then you can join the rest of sane and compassionate humanity in the wake of Aurora. villager Jul 2012 #212
Using a tragedy to dodge a question? How tacky of you. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #213
Ignoring a tragedy to continue a debate about an organization you're still defending? How craven. villager Jul 2012 #214
And again, pointing out *your* specious claim is not a defense of *them*. A pox on both your houses! friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #215
So how did *you* learn enough about them to 'know' they come from the NRA? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #83
Question not related to the NRA. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #59
The two are not mutually exclusive. HALO141 Jul 2012 #69
I have never belonged to the NRA, never sent them a dime BUT rl6214 Jul 2012 #76
not my point HankyDub Jul 2012 #86
Your quote: rl6214 Jul 2012 #105
Check it out. Rand Paul is trying to replace a treasonous oath to Grover Nordquist with one to NRA patrice Jul 2012 #128
Rand Paul? gejohnston Jul 2012 #164
You seem... slackmaster Jul 2012 #150
Please Satisfy My Curiosity frebrd Jul 2012 #159
It's just another stereotype the Anti's buy into as created gospel.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #160
I'd be absolutely delighted HankyDub Jul 2012 #167
Maybe I missed something sarisataka Jul 2012 #170
you did miss something HankyDub Jul 2012 #172
Sorry I misinterpreted post #150 sarisataka Jul 2012 #173
which is ironic gejohnston Jul 2012 #175
MLK said this: HankyDub Jul 2012 #177
don't care what he said gejohnston Jul 2012 #179
I know you don't care what he said HankyDub Jul 2012 #180
Now I remember why I dumped the Green Party gejohnston Jul 2012 #181
you misinterpret HankyDub Jul 2012 #182
calling it as I see it. gejohnston Jul 2012 #185
please try to stick to the facts HankyDub Jul 2012 #190
how about something from the NRA gejohnston Jul 2012 #191
For a moment I thought you were reasonable sarisataka Jul 2012 #186
Amen brother, amen. permatex Jul 2012 #187
people interested in justice are rarely reasonable HankyDub Jul 2012 #188
They are not mutually exclusive sarisataka Jul 2012 #192
this does seem like a worhtwhile conversation HankyDub Jul 2012 #193
fixed it for you -- Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #194
+1000 and thank you for your service rl6214 Jul 2012 #198
"As a veteran, go fuck yourself. " rl6214 Jul 2012 #199
So we are clear Meiko Jul 2012 #196
You distort the true history of Rosa Parks and of the civil rights movement in general. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #200
Thanks for this very fine post! Simo 1939_1940 Jul 2012 #211
People should have a right to unionize and organize and have their privacy respected. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #165
it's unfortunate that you didn't read the OP HankyDub Jul 2012 #168
I agree with your post Meiko Jul 2012 #189
Whoso side am I on?? DWC Jul 2012 #166
and again, it's a shame that people don't read before they post HankyDub Jul 2012 #169
I read Your OP before I posted. DWC Jul 2012 #201
No TRUE Scotsman..... Callisto32 Jul 2012 #174
fail HankyDub Jul 2012 #178
Please stop using the word threaten. Meiko Jul 2012 #195
boys? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #197
Neither. Tejas Jul 2012 #204
You realize that if there were no movement to ban guns 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #206
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