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In reply to the discussion: Time for RKBA DU'ers to make a choice...the NRA or the USA? [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)200. You distort the true history of Rosa Parks and of the civil rights movement in general.
Not that such revisionism is anything new:
http://www.onthemedia.org/2010/aug/27/tabula-rosa/transcript/
BOB GARFIELD: In that same Washington Post obituary there was, it seemed, a palpable sense of disappointment that the myth is, in fact, a myth. Why are we so reluctant to let it go? TIM TYSON: There's a sense in which Mrs. Parks is very important to our post-civil rights racial narrative, because we really want a kind of sugar-coated civil rights movement that's about purity and interracial non-violence. And so we don't really want to meet the real Rosa Parks. We don't, for example, want to know that in the late 1960s, Rosa Parks became a black nationalist and a great admirer of Malcolm X. I met Rosa Parks at the funeral of Robert F. Williams, who had fought the Ku Klux Klan in North Carolina with a machine gun in the late 1950s and then fled to Cuba, and had been a kind of international revolutionary icon of black power. Ms. Parks delivered the eulogy at his funeral. She talks in her autobiography and says that she never believed in non-violence and that she was incapable of that herself, and that she kept guns in her home to protect her family. But we want a little old lady with tired feet. You may have noticed we don't have a lot of pacifist white heroes. We prefer our black people meek and mild, I think.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/http:/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x337407#337605
14. More on Timothy Tyson, Robert F. Williams, and armed African-Americans:
Edited on Tue Aug-31-10 12:30 PM by friendly_iconoclast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Tyson
....In 1998, Tyson published an influential article in the Journal of American History, "Robert F. Williams, 'Black Power,' and the Roots of the Black Freedom Struggle." The following year, his Radio Free Dixie: Robert F. Williams and the Roots of Black Power, published by UNC Press, won the Frederick Jackson Turner Prize for best first book in U.S. history from the Organization of American Historians, as well as the James A. Rawley Prize for best book on the subject of race. "Radio Free Dixie" provided the foundation for "Negroes with Guns: Rob Williams and Black Power", a documentary film made by Sandra Dickson and Churchill Roberts at the University of Florida's Documentary Institute and broadcast on national television in February 2007. "Negroes with Guns," for which Tyson served as lead consultant, won the Erick Barnouw Award for best historical film from the Organization of American Historians....
An interview with Robert F. Williams:
Another interview with Williams:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5457524655277645843#
You can buy the DVD of "Negroes with Guns: Rob Williams and Black Power" here:
http://newsreel.org/nav/title.asp?tc=CN0178
....In 1998, Tyson published an influential article in the Journal of American History, "Robert F. Williams, 'Black Power,' and the Roots of the Black Freedom Struggle." The following year, his Radio Free Dixie: Robert F. Williams and the Roots of Black Power, published by UNC Press, won the Frederick Jackson Turner Prize for best first book in U.S. history from the Organization of American Historians, as well as the James A. Rawley Prize for best book on the subject of race. "Radio Free Dixie" provided the foundation for "Negroes with Guns: Rob Williams and Black Power", a documentary film made by Sandra Dickson and Churchill Roberts at the University of Florida's Documentary Institute and broadcast on national television in February 2007. "Negroes with Guns," for which Tyson served as lead consultant, won the Erick Barnouw Award for best historical film from the Organization of American Historians....
An interview with Robert F. Williams:
Another interview with Williams:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5457524655277645843#
You can buy the DVD of "Negroes with Guns: Rob Williams and Black Power" here:
http://newsreel.org/nav/title.asp?tc=CN0178
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=331645&mesg_id=331645
Remembering Robert Hicks and the Deacons of Defense
http://www.thesouthernshift.com/news/2010/04/remembering-robert-hicks-and-deacons-defense
Remembering Robert Hicks and the Deacons of Defense
Submitted by Southern Shift on Mon, 2010-04-26 11:32
The story around Robert Hicks and his group Deacons for Defense have all but been erased from public consciousness. You check on familiar touch points like YouTube and there's nothing there. Pictures are hard to find and articles are scant. The thought of armed Black men standing up to the KKK and successfully protecting lives and propert during the harsh days of the Jim Crow South is a scary thought for many. The truth of the matter is many African Americans did not sit back and just allow themselves to be beaten and terrorized by the KKK. Hicks represented an underplayed part of our history..
The passing of Robert Hicks will not be acknowledge on the same scale as the passing of Guru, Dr Dorothy Height and Benjamin Hooks but he is no less important. We tip our hat because he did what many have come to belive was the unthinkable.We also encourage folks to try and pick up a copy of the movie that stars Forest Whitaker
-Davey D-
Submitted by Southern Shift on Mon, 2010-04-26 11:32
The story around Robert Hicks and his group Deacons for Defense have all but been erased from public consciousness. You check on familiar touch points like YouTube and there's nothing there. Pictures are hard to find and articles are scant. The thought of armed Black men standing up to the KKK and successfully protecting lives and propert during the harsh days of the Jim Crow South is a scary thought for many. The truth of the matter is many African Americans did not sit back and just allow themselves to be beaten and terrorized by the KKK. Hicks represented an underplayed part of our history..
The passing of Robert Hicks will not be acknowledge on the same scale as the passing of Guru, Dr Dorothy Height and Benjamin Hooks but he is no less important. We tip our hat because he did what many have come to belive was the unthinkable.We also encourage folks to try and pick up a copy of the movie that stars Forest Whitaker
-Davey D-
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/us/25hicks.html?scp=1&sq=robert%20hicks&st=cse
Robert Hicks, Leader in Armed Rights Group, Dies at 81
Someone had called to say the Ku Klux Klan was coming to bomb Robert Hickss house. The police said there was nothing they could do. It was the night of Feb. 1, 1965, in Bogalusa, La.
The Klan was furious that Mr. Hicks, a black paper mill worker, was putting up two white civil rights workers in his home. It was just six months after three young civil rights workers had been murdered in Philadelphia, Miss.
Mr. Hicks and his wife, Valeria, made some phone calls. They found neighbors to take in their children, and they reached out to friends for protection. Soon, armed black men materialized. Nothing happened.
Less than three weeks later, the leaders of a secretive, paramilitary organization of blacks called the Deacons for Defense and Justice visited Bogalusa. It had been formed in Jonesboro, La., in 1964 mainly to protect unarmed civil rights demonstrators from the Klan. After listening to the Deacons, Mr. Hicks took the lead in forming a Bogalusa chapter, recruiting many of the men who had gone to his house to protect his family and guests....
The Klan was furious that Mr. Hicks, a black paper mill worker, was putting up two white civil rights workers in his home. It was just six months after three young civil rights workers had been murdered in Philadelphia, Miss.
Mr. Hicks and his wife, Valeria, made some phone calls. They found neighbors to take in their children, and they reached out to friends for protection. Soon, armed black men materialized. Nothing happened.
Less than three weeks later, the leaders of a secretive, paramilitary organization of blacks called the Deacons for Defense and Justice visited Bogalusa. It had been formed in Jonesboro, La., in 1964 mainly to protect unarmed civil rights demonstrators from the Klan. After listening to the Deacons, Mr. Hicks took the lead in forming a Bogalusa chapter, recruiting many of the men who had gone to his house to protect his family and guests....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacons_for_Defense_and_Justice
Deacons for Defense and Justice
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Deacons for Defense and Justice is an armed self defense African American civil rights organization in the U.S. Southern states during the 1960s. Historically, the organization practiced self-defense methods in the face of racist oppression that was carried out by Jim Crow Laws; local and state agencies; and the Ku Klux Klan. Many times the Deacons are not written about or cited when speaking of the Civil Rights Movement because their agenda of self-defense, in this case, using violence (if necessary) did not fit the image of strict non-violence agenda that leaders like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. preached about the Civil Rights Movement. Yet, there has been a recent debate over the crucial role the Deacons and other lesser known militant organizations played on local levels throughout much of the rural South. Many times in these areas the Federal government did not always have complete control over to enforce such laws like the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or Voting Rights Act of 1965.
The Deacons are a segment of the larger tradition of Black Power in the United States. This tradition began with the inception of African slavery in the U.S. and began with the use of Africans as chattel slaves in the Western Hemisphere. Stokely Carmichael defines Black Power as, The goal of black self-determination and black self-identityBlack Poweris full participation in the decision-making processes affecting the lives of black people, and recognition of the virtues in themselves as black people.[1] Those of us who advocate Black Power are quite clear in our own minds that a non-violent approach to civil rights is an approach black people cannot afford and a luxury white people do not deserve.[1] This refers to the idea that the traditional ideas and values of the Civil Rights Movement placated to the emotions and feelings of White liberal supporters rather than Black Americans who had to consistently live with the racism and other acts of violence that was shown towards them.
The Deacons were a driving force of Black Power that Stokely Carmichael echoed. Carmichael speaks about the Deacons when he writes, Here is a group which realized that the law and law enforcement agencies would not protect people, so they had to do it themselves...The Deacons and all other blacks who resort to self-defense represent a simple answer to a simple question: what man would not defend his family and home from attack?[1] The Deacons, according to Carmichael and many others were the protection that the Civil Rights needed on local levels, as well as, the ones who intervened in places that the state and federal government fell short.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Deacons for Defense and Justice is an armed self defense African American civil rights organization in the U.S. Southern states during the 1960s. Historically, the organization practiced self-defense methods in the face of racist oppression that was carried out by Jim Crow Laws; local and state agencies; and the Ku Klux Klan. Many times the Deacons are not written about or cited when speaking of the Civil Rights Movement because their agenda of self-defense, in this case, using violence (if necessary) did not fit the image of strict non-violence agenda that leaders like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. preached about the Civil Rights Movement. Yet, there has been a recent debate over the crucial role the Deacons and other lesser known militant organizations played on local levels throughout much of the rural South. Many times in these areas the Federal government did not always have complete control over to enforce such laws like the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or Voting Rights Act of 1965.
The Deacons are a segment of the larger tradition of Black Power in the United States. This tradition began with the inception of African slavery in the U.S. and began with the use of Africans as chattel slaves in the Western Hemisphere. Stokely Carmichael defines Black Power as, The goal of black self-determination and black self-identityBlack Poweris full participation in the decision-making processes affecting the lives of black people, and recognition of the virtues in themselves as black people.[1] Those of us who advocate Black Power are quite clear in our own minds that a non-violent approach to civil rights is an approach black people cannot afford and a luxury white people do not deserve.[1] This refers to the idea that the traditional ideas and values of the Civil Rights Movement placated to the emotions and feelings of White liberal supporters rather than Black Americans who had to consistently live with the racism and other acts of violence that was shown towards them.
The Deacons were a driving force of Black Power that Stokely Carmichael echoed. Carmichael speaks about the Deacons when he writes, Here is a group which realized that the law and law enforcement agencies would not protect people, so they had to do it themselves...The Deacons and all other blacks who resort to self-defense represent a simple answer to a simple question: what man would not defend his family and home from attack?[1] The Deacons, according to Carmichael and many others were the protection that the Civil Rights needed on local levels, as well as, the ones who intervened in places that the state and federal government fell short.
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You better not eat more than one Buffalo Wing at a time or you're a wing nut n/t
shadowrider
Jul 2012
#96
Hey, I never criticize another's drink.......as long as they are willing to share. nm
rhett o rick
Jul 2012
#147
Question: If the starter sent you to the first tee to go out with my threesome...
cherokeeprogressive
Jul 2012
#183
Yet, the NRA gives positive ratings to Democrats, just fine, as long as they come down on the
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2012
#14
NRA supports a lot of right wing causes unrelated to guns. Check out their leadership.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#35
When grover norquist goes to scratch Republican congressperson's back, he's lobbying for more guns,
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#50
Permatex, rather than buying another gun, try getting an education on how these organizations work.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#55
Hoyt, rather than dodging, try providing *actual evidence* to back up your assertion...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#61
You, yesterday: "When you quote something like that, it is customary to give a link to the source."
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#65
Not unless the ACLU starts paying speaking fees to Glenn Beckkk and $arah Palin
HankyDub
Jul 2012
#66
You'd better watch it- some folks don't like skeptics who cast doubt upon their One True Faith...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#58
NRA doesn't really care what happens to guns after they are sold, only that they are sold.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#43
And I can proudly say that I'm doing my part to add another 100 million guns sold.
permatex
Jul 2012
#47
Ordered, paid for, on it's way to a las vegas gun store for p/u next week, also ordered
permatex
Jul 2012
#91
Bambi's mom, that's who. They are well made, and would be a great deer rifle...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#63
Lord man, they've figured out how to take a "percentage" of things by just handling lobbying, etc.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#121
The reports that for the past 30 years have trumpeted historic declines in gun violence?
hack89
Jul 2012
#46
The reason I am making a stink is that they are advocating agains the interests
HankyDub
Jul 2012
#132
I have been in many of the poor areas and housing projects in El Paso and have NEVER
rl6214
Jul 2012
#88
Wait, wait, oh I get it. You are baiting. Yep. The old "show me some stats" bait.
rhett o rick
Jul 2012
#114
No, no, you're not a dick. I was commending you for demanding that he provide evidence
rhett o rick
Jul 2012
#125
Yes - the shrill fear mongering about CCW, open carry and SYG are just bullshit.
hack89
Jul 2012
#141
As long as we don't have to choose between mindless hysteria and reason.
4th law of robotics
Jul 2012
#30
Folks like you, for example, dutifully internalizing -- and repeating - their crafted talking points
villager
Jul 2012
#70
The advanced search function is your friend. Donate, and you'll be able to use it too:
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#163
Then why defend a group that even you see as saturated with right-wing politics?
villager
Jul 2012
#202
I didn't defend *them*, I asked *you* how they allegedly 'trained' apologists.
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#207
Sort of obvious, isn't it? They've positioned themselves in the minds of gunfolk in such a way that
villager
Jul 2012
#208
Kindly point out this "defense" of the NRA you keep mistakenly attributing to me.
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#210
Then you can join the rest of sane and compassionate humanity in the wake of Aurora.
villager
Jul 2012
#212
Ignoring a tragedy to continue a debate about an organization you're still defending? How craven.
villager
Jul 2012
#214
And again, pointing out *your* specious claim is not a defense of *them*. A pox on both your houses!
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#215
So how did *you* learn enough about them to 'know' they come from the NRA?
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#83
Check it out. Rand Paul is trying to replace a treasonous oath to Grover Nordquist with one to NRA
patrice
Jul 2012
#128
You distort the true history of Rosa Parks and of the civil rights movement in general.
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#200
People should have a right to unionize and organize and have their privacy respected.
Atypical Liberal
Jul 2012
#165