Gun Control & RKBA

HankyDub

(246 posts)

190. please try to stick to the facts

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 08:17 PM

Jul 2012

The NRA doesn't give a shit about voter suppression laws.

False. Inform yourself. The media matters article in question lays their position out very clearly, even shows video

The fact is that the NRA continues to support Jim Crow voter ID laws throughout the US. Here are additional sources--feel free to attack these messengers as well.

http://meetthenra.org/issues?field_issue_value_many_to_one=Voting%20Rights

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-04-06/politics/politics_nra-alec_1_nra-officials-alec-gun-rights?_s=PM

OLITICS

Not ad hominem at all. Just calling it as I see it.

In this case, calling it as you see it is also leveling ad hominem attacks against people who say things you wish were not true. When you attack David Brock as a "mercenary" instead of attacking the points he makes, that's an ad hominem.

According to the information that I have, ammunition purchased at Swiss firing ranges must also be expended there. I could be wrong about that, would welcome more information.

I also think Swiss laws regarding gun permits, gun sales and gun transport are very reasonable.

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Time for RKBA DU'ers to make a choice...the NRA or the USA? [View all] HankyDub Jul 2012 OP

If you own two sets of golf clubs, then you are a golf nut. DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #1

Define gun nut. permatex Jul 2012 #3

If you own more than ONE gun, you are a "gun nut" DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #21

Thats your definition, permatex Jul 2012 #22

That's your opinion. The facts speak differently. Sorry, couldn't resist. Hoyt Jul 2012 #31

What facts would that be? permatex Jul 2012 #74

*chirp chirp Tejas Jul 2012 #203

By that rationale sarisataka Jul 2012 #33

I disagree. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #71

Hope you don't own more than one pair of shoes. TheWraith Jul 2012 #77

You better not eat more than one Buffalo Wing at a time or you're a wing nut n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #96

ROFL.... n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #101

If you urinate often, you're a pee-nut. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #110

Good one.............. permatex Jul 2012 #115

Oh yeah! What if you really liked lugs? rhett o rick Jul 2012 #122

Please stop permatex Jul 2012 #123

I recognize the symptoms and only vodka will remedy. brb. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #126

I'm having a permatex Jul 2012 #129

Hey, I never criticize another's drink.......as long as they are willing to share. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #147

I hope no one thinks I am mocking this thread. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #130

Of course not. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #133

Not at all permatex Jul 2012 #137

Hard to duck hunt with a 300WSM ileus Jul 2012 #148

Easy to hunt, hard to find the parts. oneshooter Jul 2012 #153

What a steaming crock of runny human shit. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #149

I have three sets of clubs. Scuba Jul 2012 #176

Question: If the starter sent you to the first tee to go out with my threesome... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #183

Well, there's two sets I play with regularly, depending on my mood.... Scuba Jul 2012 #184

Anyone who owns three or more of anything is a collector slackmaster Jul 2012 #161

now I am a car collector Go Vols Jul 2012 #171

Never heard anyone called a "golf nut" rl6214 Jul 2012 #79

Don't forget that this will apply to all permatex Jul 2012 #2

I'm proud to support the NAACP HankyDub Jul 2012 #6

I never said they got nothing to hide permatex Jul 2012 #10

ACLU agreed with Citizens United too HankyDub Jul 2012 #18

I do not stand with the NRA. Never have. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #4

Good on ya! HankyDub Jul 2012 #5

membership can be as little as $25 a year. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #7

"The NRA can't swing this election." HankyDub Jul 2012 #8

Yet, the NRA gives positive ratings to Democrats, just fine, as long as they come down on the AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #14

Now the NRA will give negative ratings HankyDub Jul 2012 #16

NRA supports a lot of right wing causes unrelated to guns. Check out their leadership. Hoyt Jul 2012 #35

Sure, the NRA board has become highly politicized. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #42

Does the NRA itself permatex Jul 2012 #45

When grover norquist goes to scratch Republican congressperson's back, he's lobbying for more guns, Hoyt Jul 2012 #50

You didn't answer the question. permatex Jul 2012 #53

Permatex, rather than buying another gun, try getting an education on how these organizations work. Hoyt Jul 2012 #55

Could you PLEASE answer the question? permatex Jul 2012 #60

I would have to say he posted a fact sarisataka Jul 2012 #62

Hoyt, rather than dodging, try providing *actual evidence* to back up your assertion... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #61

You, yesterday: "When you quote something like that, it is customary to give a link to the source." friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #65

And of course this is just your "opinion" because there is no proof to rl6214 Jul 2012 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author HankyDub Jul 2012 #99

and you support cops gejohnston Jul 2012 #124

I choose my range and democracy. Clames Jul 2012 #9

He just thought it was a glove. rrneck Jul 2012 #38

Certainly explains the smell. Clames Jul 2012 #85

Sadly, Real Life(tm) is not as binary as you wish it were. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #11

P.S. What's an "NRA soundbyte(s)"? PavePusher Jul 2012 #12

I'm disappointed HankyDub Jul 2012 #17

You are not wrong about it being "filled with patriotic democrats". PavePusher Jul 2012 #28

Patriotic= sarisataka Jul 2012 #36

P.S. You've dodged the question. PavePusher Jul 2012 #97

here are some: HankyDub Jul 2012 #142

Anonymous web page with no citations to the claimed quotes. PavePusher Jul 2012 #154

If the NRA is so powerful, why don't Democrats realize that... krispos42 Jul 2012 #13

Well, sweetheart HankyDub Jul 2012 #15

The ACLU opposes this bill on first amendment grounds. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #20

Bribery is not speech. nt HankyDub Jul 2012 #24

So the bill is bad but the NRA's tactics are bad too? Is that it? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #26

Did I say the bill is bad? HankyDub Jul 2012 #37

So the ACLU is wrong. OK nt hack89 Jul 2012 #48

Should DUers quit the ACLU over their opposition to it? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #64

Not unless the ACLU starts paying speaking fees to Glenn Beckkk and $arah Palin HankyDub Jul 2012 #66

Good on ya bongbong Jul 2012 #93

I'm actually not new here, but thanks HankyDub Jul 2012 #102

We really aren't that bad permatex Jul 2012 #104

some of my old buddies would disagree with you HankyDub Jul 2012 #135

and then they came for the fire extinguishers....... Tejas Jul 2012 #205

Do I also have to choose between the ACLU and the USA? hack89 Jul 2012 #19

the aclu has done a great deal of good for this country HankyDub Jul 2012 #23

They helped pass all our present gun control laws hack89 Jul 2012 #25

post hoc ergo propter hoc HankyDub Jul 2012 #27

So show us the harm that the NRA has done America hack89 Jul 2012 #29

So you don't watch your local news or read your local newspaper? gregoire Jul 2012 #34

How can I get one of these sarisataka Jul 2012 #39

You'd better watch it- some folks don't like skeptics who cast doubt upon their One True Faith... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #58

NRA doesn't really care what happens to guns after they are sold, only that they are sold. Hoyt Jul 2012 #43

And I can proudly say that I'm doing my part to add another 100 million guns sold. permatex Jul 2012 #47

Who you planning to intimidate, or excite with that piece of crap (my opinion)? Hoyt Jul 2012 #51

Just where did you get that I'm going to intimidate anyone with it? permatex Jul 2012 #56

Ordered, paid for, on it's way to a las vegas gun store for p/u next week, also ordered permatex Jul 2012 #91

Sweet Meiko Jul 2012 #120

Bambi's mom, that's who. They are well made, and would be a great deer rifle... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #63

Are you posting gun porn now? NT Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #162

Very nice sarisataka Jul 2012 #54

I know you're going to whine about this BUT rl6214 Jul 2012 #90

Oh c'mon permatex Jul 2012 #95

Yeah, I know rl6214 Jul 2012 #107

I've gone back in the archives permatex Jul 2012 #108

Lord man, they've figured out how to take a "percentage" of things by just handling lobbying, etc. Hoyt Jul 2012 #121

Thats your opinion permatex Jul 2012 #127

The reports that for the past 30 years have trumpeted historic declines in gun violence? hack89 Jul 2012 #46

still slipping in that fallacy eh HankyDub Jul 2012 #49

So let me get this straight hack89 Jul 2012 #52

That's a twisty pretzel. HankyDub Jul 2012 #67

Yet as gun laws got laxer, gun violence went down hack89 Jul 2012 #68

This is a logical fallacy, a combination of two, in fact. HankyDub Jul 2012 #72

No it is not hack89 Jul 2012 #73

The reduction is not uniform HankyDub Jul 2012 #78

"Overall violent and property crime reached a 32-year low" hack89 Jul 2012 #80

so you're pointing out that HankyDub Jul 2012 #84

Why wouldn't he? Clames Jul 2012 #89

I notice you were using old data hack89 Jul 2012 #94

Why does AARP or any other political pressure group hack89 Jul 2012 #98

is the AARP HankyDub Jul 2012 #103

They probably do permatex Jul 2012 #106

not according to them HankyDub Jul 2012 #109

I apologize, permatex Jul 2012 #112

Not on this particular issue hack89 Jul 2012 #111

Nobody is threatening anyone Meiko Jul 2012 #119

The reason I am making a stink is that they are advocating agains the interests HankyDub Jul 2012 #132

I understand what you are saying Meiko Jul 2012 #146

Try using the FBI murder RATE. It shows the true picture. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #151

There you go again with your harping on "logical fallacies". rhett o rick Jul 2012 #118

hehehe...this is a quote you might like HankyDub Jul 2012 #134

Good quote. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #136

I have been in many of the poor areas and housing projects in El Paso and have NEVER rl6214 Jul 2012 #88

Wait, wait, oh I get it. You are baiting. Yep. The old "show me some stats" bait. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #114

Yea - I know. It really is cheating to insist on actual facts and evidence hack89 Jul 2012 #116

No, no, you're not a dick. I was commending you for demanding that he provide evidence rhett o rick Jul 2012 #125

But I have posted that evidence hack89 Jul 2012 #131

I will bow to your stats. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #138

Peace out. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #139

up in one 5 year period, down in another HankyDub Jul 2012 #140

Yes - the shrill fear mongering about CCW, open carry and SYG are just bullshit. hack89 Jul 2012 #141

That isn't an answer to my question, is it now. HankyDub Jul 2012 #143

But it is an honest assement of the gun control mentality here hack89 Jul 2012 #145

Hey, I am alerting you this. You cant say that in mixed public. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #113

LOL. permatex Jul 2012 #117

Glenn Beckkk and $arah Palin? rl6214 Jul 2012 #87

You support these two individuals? HankyDub Jul 2012 #144

I have no idea gejohnston Jul 2012 #152

I saw that about beck as well... rl6214 Jul 2012 #156

Don't support them at all... rl6214 Jul 2012 #155

Ahem... HankyDub Jul 2012 #41

As long as we don't have to choose between mindless hysteria and reason. 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #30

All of those violent CONservatives should have their names published! gregoire Jul 2012 #32

Ahem... HankyDub Jul 2012 #40

That was always the choice. But the NRA has its apologists very well trained. villager Jul 2012 #44

So how *does* the NRA 'train' apologists? Do let us know... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #57

Folks like you, for example, dutifully internalizing -- and repeating - their crafted talking points villager Jul 2012 #70

I must have missed the NRA apologist class. permatex Jul 2012 #75

Easy- just read "The Protocols of The Elders of The NRA" friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #81

Thanks. permatex Jul 2012 #92

Stop. Bragging. PavePusher Jul 2012 #100

so.... you completely support what the NRA is doing with the Senate? villager Jul 2012 #157

I'm curious, permatex Jul 2012 #158

The advanced search function is your friend. Donate, and you'll be able to use it too: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #163

Then why defend a group that even you see as saturated with right-wing politics? villager Jul 2012 #202

I didn't defend *them*, I asked *you* how they allegedly 'trained' apologists. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #207

Sort of obvious, isn't it? They've positioned themselves in the minds of gunfolk in such a way that villager Jul 2012 #208

The Republican did that as a whole, not the NRA gejohnston Jul 2012 #209

Kindly point out this "defense" of the NRA you keep mistakenly attributing to me. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #210

Then you can join the rest of sane and compassionate humanity in the wake of Aurora. villager Jul 2012 #212

Using a tragedy to dodge a question? How tacky of you. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #213

Ignoring a tragedy to continue a debate about an organization you're still defending? How craven. villager Jul 2012 #214

And again, pointing out *your* specious claim is not a defense of *them*. A pox on both your houses! friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #215

So how did *you* learn enough about them to 'know' they come from the NRA? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #83

Question not related to the NRA. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #59

The two are not mutually exclusive. HALO141 Jul 2012 #69

I have never belonged to the NRA, never sent them a dime BUT rl6214 Jul 2012 #76

not my point HankyDub Jul 2012 #86

Your quote: rl6214 Jul 2012 #105

Check it out. Rand Paul is trying to replace a treasonous oath to Grover Nordquist with one to NRA patrice Jul 2012 #128

Rand Paul? gejohnston Jul 2012 #164

You seem... slackmaster Jul 2012 #150

Please Satisfy My Curiosity frebrd Jul 2012 #159

It's just another stereotype the Anti's buy into as created gospel.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #160

I'd be absolutely delighted HankyDub Jul 2012 #167

Maybe I missed something sarisataka Jul 2012 #170

you did miss something HankyDub Jul 2012 #172

Sorry I misinterpreted post #150 sarisataka Jul 2012 #173

which is ironic gejohnston Jul 2012 #175

MLK said this: HankyDub Jul 2012 #177

don't care what he said gejohnston Jul 2012 #179

I know you don't care what he said HankyDub Jul 2012 #180

Now I remember why I dumped the Green Party gejohnston Jul 2012 #181

you misinterpret HankyDub Jul 2012 #182

calling it as I see it. gejohnston Jul 2012 #185

please try to stick to the facts HankyDub Jul 2012 #190

how about something from the NRA gejohnston Jul 2012 #191

For a moment I thought you were reasonable sarisataka Jul 2012 #186

Amen brother, amen. permatex Jul 2012 #187

people interested in justice are rarely reasonable HankyDub Jul 2012 #188

They are not mutually exclusive sarisataka Jul 2012 #192

this does seem like a worhtwhile conversation HankyDub Jul 2012 #193

fixed it for you -- Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #194

+1000 and thank you for your service rl6214 Jul 2012 #198

"As a veteran, go fuck yourself. " rl6214 Jul 2012 #199

So we are clear Meiko Jul 2012 #196

You distort the true history of Rosa Parks and of the civil rights movement in general. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #200

Thanks for this very fine post! Simo 1939_1940 Jul 2012 #211

People should have a right to unionize and organize and have their privacy respected. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #165

it's unfortunate that you didn't read the OP HankyDub Jul 2012 #168

I agree with your post Meiko Jul 2012 #189

Whoso side am I on?? DWC Jul 2012 #166

and again, it's a shame that people don't read before they post HankyDub Jul 2012 #169

I read Your OP before I posted. DWC Jul 2012 #201

No TRUE Scotsman..... Callisto32 Jul 2012 #174

fail HankyDub Jul 2012 #178

Please stop using the word threaten. Meiko Jul 2012 #195

boys? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #197

Neither. Tejas Jul 2012 #204

You realize that if there were no movement to ban guns 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #206