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6. It could also be pointed out that in Florida since the SYG law passed violent crime has dropped. ...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:54 PM
Jul 2012
Crime rates in Florida have dropped since 'stand your ground,' says Dennis Baxley
Dennis Baxley on Wednesday, March 21st, 2012

***snip***

Here, we’re checking whether there’s been a dramatic drop in violent crime since the law went into effect. To do that, we turned to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement’s crime statistics and various news reports about violent crime in Florida.

We found that violent crime has dropped significantly in Florida since 2005. (The law went into effect Oct. 1, 2005.) We calculated the drop in violent crime rates, to account for population growth. In 2006 and 2007, violent crime rates were up just slightly up compared with 2005. In 2008, the violent crime rate began declining. By 2010, the violent crime rate had dropped 23 percent since 2005. (See chart below.)

But that’s not the whole story. We also looked at crime rates for the five years before the "stand your ground" law started, and we found violent crime was declining during those years as well. Between 2000 and 2005, violent crime dropped 12 percent.

When we turned to news reports, we found many stories documenting drops in crime nationwide over the past decade. Experts have been surprised that the numbers have continued dropping through a historic recession.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/mar/23/dennis-baxley/crime-rates-florida-have-dropped-stand-your-ground/


The article goes on to mention that no one knows why the violent crime rates are dropping That's fair as there are indeed many factors to consider in the violent crime rate equation. However as a single factor it is obvious that SYG did not cause the violent crime rate to skyrocket.

If my profession was a street mugger, I would seriously consider a less dangerous criminal occupation if I lived in Florida or I would move to Chicago. The work environment in the Windy City is far better for street criminals and home invaders than Florida.
Did these states see an overall rise in homicide? Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #1
If this is based on the study that people were widely citing for this stuff... Callisto32 Jul 2012 #2
Thank you. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #5
Overall rise in homicide. DanTex Jul 2012 #9
I remember that one, we discussed it. gejohnston Jul 2012 #12
What are you talking about? DanTex Jul 2012 #13
short memory? gejohnston Jul 2012 #14
I meant about the UCR comment. The study used UCR data. DanTex Jul 2012 #15
the laws intent were never gejohnston Jul 2012 #16
Blah blah blah... DanTex Jul 2012 #17
I read the study gejohnston Jul 2012 #18
First in my opinion not all homicides are evil ... spin Jul 2012 #22
Thank you for the reply and link! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #27
Justifiable homicides are those killings in which the use of lethal force was ruled as justified ... spin Jul 2012 #3
In states without SYG pipoman Jul 2012 #4
It could also be pointed out that in Florida since the SYG law passed violent crime has dropped. ... spin Jul 2012 #6
I believe it is working just as it was intended pipoman Jul 2012 #7
Ummmm...... bongbong Jul 2012 #8
what is the egregious logic error? please point out the error. why is that a false statement and Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #10
Hah! You'll never get a real answer to *any* of your questions from that one... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #26
O.K. If SYG was such a bad idea ... spin Jul 2012 #19
Yawn bongbong Jul 2012 #32
If you could, you would present a reply that would show that I was wrong ... spin Jul 2012 #33
Still spinning bongbong Jul 2012 #38
I think it's hilarious how the talking points of those on the bong are just rl6214 Jul 2012 #29
Personal attack bongbong Jul 2012 #31
Personal attack? rl6214 Jul 2012 #34
Sadly, no bongbong Jul 2012 #35
You'll be sure to point them out as soon as you see them, won't you? rl6214 Jul 2012 #36
Cajones? bongbong Jul 2012 #37
Don't know what the hell you're talking about. rl6214 Jul 2012 #39
Usually bongbong Jul 2012 #40
Yeah, this is a rule, written by you rl6214 Jul 2012 #41
Yes, let's ask the right-wing Republican who wrote the law! DanTex Jul 2012 #11
That's fair ... spin Jul 2012 #20
Homicide. Justified. We have to take this on a case to case basis. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #21
Very true as many of those who claim a "Stand Your Ground" defense ... spin Jul 2012 #23
exactly my point. Let the system do its job. Let the case go to court. Present the evidence. Hear Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #24
Yup. (n/t) spin Jul 2012 #25
Google dump time rl6214 Jul 2012 #28
Thanks for the kick SecularMotion Jul 2012 #30
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