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In reply to the discussion: Why indifference to gun violence is a national crime [View all]Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)39. You can have policies that affect only criminals without "pre-criminal exclusionary policies"
Let the pre-criminal exclusionary policies begin! Those with a criminal nature into the camps, life sentences for all!
You can have policies that only affect criminals without having some kind of Minority Report pre-crime concept as you mockingly suggest.
How about, for starters, not allowing people to plea away gun charges?
But whatever you do, I'm not going to pay the price for the criminal actions of others.
Where are you getting that number? This would mean that over the course of a lifetime, your average gun owner is more likely than unlikely to be "involved in firearm-related crimes."
We've had this discussion many times before. Based solely on the number of violent crimes in the United States, even if every single violent crime were committed by a gun owner only about 7% of firearm owners could be involved. There simply aren't enough violent crimes go go around. Then another poster provided the data on actual annual firearm-related crimes, and that number drops to about 3% of all firearm owners annually.
It's pretty simple math, really. Take the number of crimes, divide by 40-80 million people, and multiply by 100.
You can have policies that only affect criminals without having some kind of Minority Report pre-crime concept as you mockingly suggest.
How about, for starters, not allowing people to plea away gun charges?
But whatever you do, I'm not going to pay the price for the criminal actions of others.
Where are you getting that number? This would mean that over the course of a lifetime, your average gun owner is more likely than unlikely to be "involved in firearm-related crimes."
We've had this discussion many times before. Based solely on the number of violent crimes in the United States, even if every single violent crime were committed by a gun owner only about 7% of firearm owners could be involved. There simply aren't enough violent crimes go go around. Then another poster provided the data on actual annual firearm-related crimes, and that number drops to about 3% of all firearm owners annually.
It's pretty simple math, really. Take the number of crimes, divide by 40-80 million people, and multiply by 100.
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The article wasn't meant for you. My target audience is the reality-based community.
DanTex
Jun 2012
#9
I keep this handy little list just for people like you making the claims you made.
beevul
Jun 2012
#30
Here's more on this subject from that evil liberal Democrat Dr. Gary Kleck:
Simo 1939_1940
Jun 2012
#35
Please cite the court cases that declared the 2nd Amend. a "collective right".
PavePusher
Jun 2012
#28
Not my problem that gun control advocates are suffereing a "decline in enthusiasm"
virginia mountainman
Jun 2012
#20
If you really want to reduce gun violence you need to stop listening WaPo and NYT editorialists.
aikoaiko
Jun 2012
#23
" If criminals are a problem, then enact policies that only affect criminals."
ellisonz
Jun 2012
#37
You can have policies that affect only criminals without "pre-criminal exclusionary policies"
Atypical Liberal
Jun 2012
#39
You can pierce "armor plating" with a 1943 M1 Garand and a few black tip 30-06 too.
DonP
Jun 2012
#56
Dude, give up. Even Josh Sugarman's VPC got off that bandwagon years ago
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2012
#70
"Little-or-no tolerance for Anslinger-Wertham Syndrome" =/= "Right Wing"...
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2012
#49