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sarisataka

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43. There may be a better way but
Sun May 13, 2012, 12:50 PM
May 2012

the number of shots fired by police has little to do with the homicide rate. I suspect property and drug crimes involve the police shooting more often than crimes against persons.

Guns laws may have an effect on how often police shoot but I think a higher standard of police training plays a very important factor. Police in gun free NYC routinely rack up high numbers of shots fired in individual incidents. If the police were engaging a street gang, then it might be applicable but it seems to always be against a single person who, as often as not, was unarmed. To knowledge that the person potentially is carrying a gun may be a factor but would also be true in Germany.

As others have pointed out, the American experience currently is more guns and less violence. It does not follow that tighter laws would lead to less violence; nor is there any proof more gun ownership would further reduce crime. It may be both sides are wrong and there is nearly no relationship between guns and violence despite what logic tells us should be true.

My opinion is it would be more beneficial to look into how Germany prevents and counters violence to reduce the US homicide and violent crime rates.

I didn't fire any... ileus May 2012 #1
NY pd can do that twice in a weekend sarisataka May 2012 #2
Not suggesting we disarm the police. DanTex May 2012 #10
There may be a better way but sarisataka May 2012 #43
Germany has a long history of gun control ... spin May 2012 #3
You lost me at "draconian gun laws". DanTex May 2012 #12
Translation: "You lost me at your presentation of the facts". PavePusher May 2012 #14
Actually, it was the choice of the word "draconian". DanTex May 2012 #16
You haven't lived under the yoke of oppressive dragon rule, have you Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #17
I've under tight gun control laws, though. Never felt the least bit "unfree". DanTex May 2012 #18
Your perception is warped by your internal bias-filter. PavePusher May 2012 #21
Do you ever post substantive comments? DanTex May 2012 #24
Please re-visit "internal bias-filter". PavePusher May 2012 #42
Let's look at the current gun laws in Germany ... spin May 2012 #23
I think most people would describe Germany's gun policy as "successful". DanTex May 2012 #26
do you have any evidence that gejohnston May 2012 #27
excellent point. Tuesday Afternoon May 2012 #28
LOL. Are we really back to "but, but... Mexico and Russia"! DanTex May 2012 #29
that is not an arguement gejohnston May 2012 #30
True. How about you do a search and find the last 20 times we've discussed this exact point? DanTex May 2012 #31
why bother? gejohnston May 2012 #32
LOL DanTex May 2012 #33
Russia is not the only example gejohnston May 2012 #34
And Brazil... ellisonz May 2012 #45
watch out iverglas May 2012 #48
I think... ellisonz May 2012 #49
Is this the best anti-gun OP you could find? TPaine7 May 2012 #4
Not "anti-gun", simply rational. DanTex May 2012 #11
So apparently you agree with the author TPaine7 May 2012 #13
Umm...did I say that? DanTex May 2012 #15
Not in so many words... TPaine7 May 2012 #35
Ignore is your friend. Tuesday Afternoon May 2012 #36
Even better, just stick to AR-15.com! DanTex May 2012 #38
your rationale leaves a lot to be desired. -- Tuesday Afternoon May 2012 #41
"reinstating the assault weapons ban" ellisonz May 2012 #46
You might be embarrassed, but you're certainly not "refuting" anything. DanTex May 2012 #37
What he calls gun craziness is actually the exercise of gun rights. As you well know. TPaine7 May 2012 #39
"Gun craziness" goes way beyond the "exercise of gun rights". DanTex May 2012 #40
I must humbly fold to a renowned expert on this subject like criminologist (or perhaps I should say TPaine7 May 2012 #44
out of those 49 warning shots gejohnston May 2012 #5
The German culture places a high value on marksmanship slackmaster May 2012 #6
OK, If You Say So..... (n/t) Paladin May 2012 #19
Sounds like I need to be Meiko May 2012 #7
K&R think May 2012 #8
Wow, if I just overlook the millions of their own citizens they killed in the last 60 years ... DonP May 2012 #9
Not a big fan of "the Germans", I see... DanTex May 2012 #20
If I held that up as something to be emulated, the way you did you might have a point. DonP May 2012 #22
Umm... I didn't hold up the Holocaust as something to be emulated. DanTex May 2012 #25
Gunners can't win an argument talking about guns... ellisonz May 2012 #47
What a ludicrous remark, given that it's the pro-control supporter who Simo 1939_1940 May 2012 #50
I'd also bet that most people in favor of tighter regulation on Wall Street banks... DanTex May 2012 #51
And in your analogy, how would you react to people who strenuously petronius May 2012 #52
That would depend on the specific economic policy. DanTex May 2012 #55
Suppose then that this hypothetical person had very strong opinions on petronius May 2012 #56
Sure. DanTex May 2012 #57
Your brazen misrepresentation of *major* issues relating to the design Simo 1939_1940 May 2012 #53
Like ellisonz said, you can't win a substantive debate, so you dodge and change the subject. DanTex May 2012 #54
To the top for todays news... Bennyboy Feb 2013 #58
Germany is geographically the size of Montana or New Mexico Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #59
what I want to know is gejohnston Feb 2013 #60
Greetings Fellow Valentine Hearts Salesmen jimmy the one Feb 2013 #61
Waffengesetz auf deutschland jimmy the one Feb 2013 #62
Didn't the LAPD beat that just in the past week? krispos42 Feb 2013 #63
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